Dave,
> Marco when you said, "When you create order
> using a good method, and use the new space you
> created, that's freedom..... Order is a necessary condition
> for empty space. Order is a necessary condition
> for freedom." it reminded me of Martin Heidegger's
> discussion of "space" in his essay " Building,
> Dwelling and Thinking"
>
thanx for answering me and especially for comparing me and Martin Heidegger.
I love the way he discussed the mainstream of western philosophy criticizing
the Plato's concept of truth as exactitude. M.H's argument that Plato (when
in the myth of the cave tells us that the we can grasp the real "ideas"
using philosophy, mathematics or logic) has been the beginner of a great
mistake, and that definitely western philosophy lost with him the authentic
concept of truth (as a-letheia, dis-closure) is very similar to Pirsig's
position.
> He says; " What the word for space, Raum, Rum,
> designates is said by its ancient meaning. Raum means
> a place cleared or freed for settlement and lodging.
> A space is something that that has been made
> room for, something that is cleared and free, namely within
> a boundary, Greek peras. .... Space is in essense
> that for which room has been made,.."
Very interesting.I didn't know that passage about RUM.
We have not that word in Italian: we use alternatively "Stanza" (that means
"a place where you can STAY") or "Vano" (that means both "room" and "vain").
I think it's interesting to note that this last meaning seems to say that's
it's useless what's empty, and it's natural to fill it.
Just what I wrote in my last post:
<<Every pattern tries to fill its typical environment, using lower
patterns as resource, limiting the activity of similar patterns. This
progressive filling conditions a progressive difficulty of activity and a
sort of "sense of oppression"; and definitely a need of empty space.>>
This never ending process of:
Building a room => Filling the space => Needing space ==> Building new
rooms....
is active under the stimulus of freedom.
MOQ says that sometimes the new room is created with a different ... "logic"
(or better, a new set of supporting values). In that case a new kind of
patterns will begin a new kind of filling that room. That's the rising of a
new level.
> Is it not odd that as language evolves we have to add
> modifiers to words that originally covered the topic quite
> succinctly.
Language evolves; we gain a lot but we lose something. I own an old copy
(1963) of the Webster's Dictionary of the American Language. I read: "Chaos:
Complete confusion; State of the universe before creation". Strange: how can
it be possible to have "Complete confusion" before the creation of universe?
As you know, Chaos is a Greek word. Surely the second meaning is originally
Greek. Then was added the other one, and today we use chaos to mean
disorder.
But the Greek word "Chaos" is probably relative with the Greek word "Chasma"
(I just noticed you still have "Chasm" in English). It's like to say that
"Chaos", the State of the universe before creation, was a just big opened
empty abyss.
Empty was the state of the universe before creation.
bye.
Marco.
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