Hi again
Xcto wrote:
> Of course, ultimately, the question is not whether a bee's social system is
> part of the MOQ Social Level. It's whether this idea improves our developing
> sense of Quality any further.
Indeed! And I think it does. We *can* get a better idea of what's going wrong
with our human social Giant problems by studying simpler social structures
like beehives. It's a good old scientific game called "remove the variables".
The variables in our case are all our human advanced intellects that may
disrupt, or rather cloud, our perception of what's going on. If we study the
beehive, the strongest and most dynamic force is social quality and is the
force that most of the time will win against competing biological forces. But
in human societies, intellectual quality will win most battles against the
social and we can't really study social quality first hand.
And to say that the question about the continuous/discrete nature of the levels
is a different topic is to deny the M in the MoQ. That it is the metaphysics on
which our reality is based. I'm not in this for anything less than that.
> I believe that it WAS a DQ attempt at Social Quality. BUT, you must realize,
> that it ultimately failed. It was a dead end.
Failed? We still have bees in Sweden. Are they extinct where you live? :)
Seriously, why should beehives be a failure just because they haven't yet
reached the intellectual level? Doesn't that make humans failures too since
we haven't reached beyond the intellectual level yet? Maybe we never will?
> Continuous or discrete again. Anyone change there mind??? I have at least
> three times.
I haven't changed mine since I wrote my essay >2 years ago.
> So here's my "truth". The giant exists in the same way that SOM exists. To
> some it's a strawman, and to some it's the the most important thing that
> keeps our society going, and to some it is the most deadly thing to the
> future of our society. And I believe that ultimately, it is none of these
> and all of these things. The test, though, is always is how useful our
> 'truths' are and how they improve our Quality.
My truth goes something like: The Giant is alive because it's dynamic. It values
social quality and responds accordingly to social quality events. If intellectual
quality interferes, it doesn't respond intellectually, it responds socially on
the social dimension of the intellectual quality event. Since these truths are
formulated in MoQese (the MoQ lingo), they are just as true for all kinds of
societies. Try them.
Magnus
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