Andreas and MF
In your post of 6 Nov you said:
> " Yes, but people might get annoyed by Your 'shuffle mode' because You
> do not take part in their dialectical discussion. You have not
> answered Bos and Ricks questions. Marco is right when he says that
> with every right there comes a duty. Ideas in the MOQ are developed in
> a controversial way." - " When I try this I get confused and end up
> nowhere." - " So this forum is not the right place for You." - " Well,
> maybe but there are different ways to learn, which I follow. And I
> come closer, understanding more of what has been said." - " What
> different ways do You mean ? " - " The ripening of theories. Wait till
> they are sweet and tasty and then assimilate." - " You mean, writing
> something on a piece of paper and carrying it around with you and/or
> putting it in places where you always come across. " - " Yes, this i
> a part of it."
Don't worry about not answering questions or of staying in "shuffle
mode". Nobody except you have delivered anything this month but
it has nothing to do with annoyance, as for me I got hung up in the
Memetic "invasion" over at the MD. It proves that quality-like ideas
are now forwarded in an increasing rate, but that Pirsig is the only
one who has prepared the ground for them. Without having his due
recognition of course :-(
Back to the November topic:
> In order to bring a pragmatic element into the discussion, state how
> Lila has affected our lives from a personal perspective.
I read with interest your earlier post about ZAMM's impact and as I
understand it your response was partly emotional - you spoke
about crying - and I think that proves some point. Like Cher sings:
(never seen it in writing but it sound like "Choop-choop Song")
....."it's in his tears". There was a long time that I only had to pick
up the first copy (Corgi paperback) and read the blurbs on the cover
to get really emotional. Still works btw.
Yet, it's only in the subject-object universe that emotions are
divided from intellect and I am sure that your relief stemmed from
some total insight that the book conveyed. I have told about my
encounter of the first kind in my essay and need not repeat it, but
let me tell that I wrote to this mysterious person Robert Pirsig who
had touched me so profoundly. My letter was written some time
after the meeting and when a reply arrived a long time after that
again (1980) I almost went "mad" with delight. More so because he
told me that he was working on a new book.
For more than ten years I lived with ZAMM. My understanding of
the Quality Metaphysics at that stage was perhaps a little hazy,
but I FELT that it said something completely new, and that this
was not the last word from Pirsig. I wrote another letter, but Pirsig
answered that the new book needed some more work, so when
LILA arrived in 1991 it came as an absolute surprise. I had been to
a lecture given by a psychologist who I knew and in a break he
showed me two books he had recently bought and I almost hit the
roof when one of them proved to be Pirsig's new work. LILA the title
said with the familiar "inquiry into morals" beneath.
I managed to buy the book from him on the spot - he had the other
one which was one called "The matter myth" - and spent the
second half of the lecture reading. Now, I will not go in detail about
my digestion of LILA, it was no disappointment - far from that - but
not that instant love affair that ZAMM had been either. Yet, it did
not take long before its scope dawned on me. It is a little more
"divided" than ZAMM, the story more made up to accommodate
the philosophy, but I got a better understanding of the
Phadrus/Pirsig person, his ordeal, his difficulties ....it all reminded
me of myself.
But the MOQ took over, I was amazed that one single person could
come up with this outrageous "turned sock" view - I still am
increasingly so. To what extreme torture by the subject/object
universe must he have been a subject, to go mad and from outside
the SOM perimeter, turn back and see that it is a closed system
and not IT ALL. I still get quite "soft" when recalling this my first
encounter with the MOQ proper. And saying that it has affected my
life is to say the least.
Thanks for reading
Bo
MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
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