Hello Bodvar,
Thanks for your reply! It has been really refreshing to read your insertions
skutvik@online.no wrote:
>
> JoVo, Denis and Group
>
> I have this teacher-correcting-pupil's-papers habit (don't take me
> too serious), however regarding Johannes there's no need or place
> for corrections. A few comments merely.
>
> JoVo wrote:
>
> > I have never been and will never be a very communicative, let alone
> > talkative person, although I can have long and intensive discussions,
> > in case there is an interesting topic or meet an interesting person,
> > but I have hard times to stand the usual 'smalltalk' not to mention
> > talks about prominent persons of public life. But since I joined this
> > discussion group, I spend sometimes whole days to think about Pisigs
>
> There is a tendency to regard face-to-face communication as the
> more REAL way of communicating, but this is not so ... I draw no
> social/intellectual lines here.
I always appreciate the acknowledgement of the 'older ones', which gives me the
feeling of not loosing the track, I may say.
You are right in what you say, but I may insert, that for example an
'internet-discussion' is on the one hand predestinated for pure intellectual
value, but on the other hand it can be also very, very fragile for I believe,
concerning my personal experiences, that all of us tend to supplement those
characteristics that has to be filled up to get an image of a person, are not
quite real, are they? I've found, that we obviously try to create a kind of
'virtual person' and so that is the raeson, that our discussion is lacking
partially reality. But that seems to be again the 'old' dilemma with 'social'-
and 'intellectual'-values.
> > I wrote and wrote, and it was somehow like driving with a car through
> > a crowded city and all traffic lights showed GREEN; Go!Go! It was a
> > sort of quality event.
>
> Imagine Jo at a coffee-bar in Kassel (?), the sheets falling like
> autumn leaves around the table :-)
I really enjoyed this image, but no, I've been at home by the time. I do need
silence or at least a calming environment, because when I'm in such a mood I
don't like to get disturbed for the fear of loosing my thoughts like sand in
your hands. A women of my living-community said, after I told her that I was
again in my 'thinking mood', that she'd already known, because I was so
'irritated'! To speak in my own words, I was(/am) indeed partially
'destabilized', but destabilized beings are more capable of creating things or
thoughts too. And I believe I know where to, and how to intervene to get me back
to business again (At least I hope so :-) ).
>
> > Some of it is weird stuff, but some of it, I think, is making a lot
> > sense. I'm going to post some of it soon, to let you - specialists for
> > weird stuff - give me your commment on it.
>
> "Weird, but not weird enough" .... Niels Bohr once said to one
> trying to explain the quantum observations.
>
> > What I intended to outline is my observation (as far as this is
> > possible ;-) ), that all this is becoming, or has already become an
> > integrative part of me. The thinking about MoQ and related topics has
> > changed my personal intellectual structure of patterns, i.e. MoQ is
> > not a subject, a Johannes Volmert is operating upon, something he
> > manipulates and spits out again, saying: "Oh,this is rather
> > interesting stuff, but now I have to return to 'serious things'
> > again", no I have changed those patterns(a sort of 'my personal MoQ')
> > and they have changed me. It looks, as if I'm sorry about that; no, it
> > is just a realization of my changing.
>
> This is just RIGHT!!!!!
[...]
>
> A conclusion from my side is that JoVo demonstrates a MOQ
> tenet that there is really no pragmatic/theoretic division (another
> S/O offspring); Theory changes one's practice which in turn
> influences theory.
This has really been an insight for me, to realize this permanent subtle
feedback between me and others as also between me and a theoretical task; I
already begin to see it in other peoples behaviour. I mean, it is possible, that
for the most of you it has been clear before, but for me it is amazing, in such
a clarity!
Hang loose! Be dynamic! By the way, I have as ever problems to distinguish even
roughly only, between social motivated and intellectual motivated actions or
reactions. But maybe this is more a problem of observation, than a flaw in the
MoQ; I do not know quite yet, but I expect us to return to that aspect now and
then, periodically ;-) !
Thanks for your patience,
wish you well,
JoVo
MOQ.org - http://www.moq.org
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