Hi Elephant and gang
> I'm sorry Magnus, I think I got cross, and that can't have helped the
> quality of that last post.
No need for apologies. I'd rather get some crossed replies than careless
or none at all. The crossed ones tend to get down to business.
> IMO the static/dynamic split is the split between discrete and therefore
> conceptualised entities on the one hand, and the aesthetic continuum on the
> other. If I am right about this, then the static world is the
> conceptualised world. IMO this means that the static is the intellectual:
This is not actually the month for discussing this first split but since it's
quite important for this month, I'll make a quick detour.
We do have slightly different views on this one, mine is rather that the dynamic
side affects each and every quality event and makes it more or less randomized.
You can never tell exactly the outcome of every single QE even under the most
rigorously controlled circumstances.
In a reality without DQ, QEs would still happen, but given the same preconditions,
each QE would give exactly the same result. This would mean that such a reality
would move and react almost exactly like a reality with DQ, except that it would
never really evolve. It would just go around in circles, it would never by mistake
bind those two carbon molecules together that enables them to make copies of itself.
It would never cause different types of cells to cooperate and form animals.
Now, the first static world is just as discrete as the second which includes DQ.
The only contribution from DQ is that each QE happens more or less. An atom gets
accellerated slightly more towards another, or a girl tends to like strawberries
slightly less than her twin sister.
So, in my view of the DQ/SQ split, each quality event is discrete, even the
aesthetic ones. But they're not discrete until after they've happened.
(BTW, your SQ/DQ split now looks a bit like the hip/square split Pirsig used
in ZMM, but he left that behind in Lila.)
An inorganic event might cause an atom to accellerate.
A biological event causes me to say Ahhhh, when I eat a strawberry.
A social event makes a new guy the president of the USA.
And an intellectual event makes you wonder how to prove me wrong. :)
And no, I don't think all of these are real only because we can intellectualize
them. You can't describe to anyone who's never been able to see what the colour
of green looks like.
Magnus
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