elephant wrote:
> Dann, Jaap,
>
> DQ is definitely *not* the pour-soi! And I'm not sure we can say
> that the en-soi are really SQ either: because Sartre has really quite a
> different idea about what value is and where it comes from. Sartre thinks
> that value is invented, while Pirsig stresses that it is "out there" as real
> as the mountains and trees.
Out where? Who said "reality is fired at us point-blank."?
> SQ is an attempt to capture some leading edge
> of value: for Sartre that leading edge doesn't exist, and existence is
> continuous but somehow horrid and incomprehensible and devoid of value:
> "viscous".
Sartre contrasts "authentic" living with "seriousness." Can we fault him for not
"endorsing" some phony morality ("seriousness"). If we truly appreciate what "duty
to self" means in the MOQ (from H.D.F. Kitto's translation of the Greek word
*Arete*) then we may arrive at a garden, a rave, a battle or a cave. I genuinely
believe that Sartre thought all "morality" had become so corrupt that any mention of
it would taint his ideas. He wanted to supplant morality with authenticity in order
to purge us of our pretense. However, I do not think that when he referred to Being
he was referring to "appearance." I think he meant Being. If Sartre was commenting
on Social Mores and Manners, then he was obsessed with "appearance" and endorsing
unconventional behavior in order to allow a more authentic personality to arise
within the individual. But if he was giving each individual human being credit for
taking part in creation itself, then we have to take him out of the Psychology
Department and put him in Philosophy as a metaphysician. Or is it metaphysicist? I
love this stuff!
An apology...
> The "essence" of a thing might be its form (Plato)
> or its substance (Socrates)
I meant Aristotle, not Socrates. Aristotle being more substantial ;). I must have
been half asleep.
Dan
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