Mr. da Silva:
If a caterpillar starts at the base of a tree and makes decisions all along
the way from trunk to branch to limb to twig, there is little chance he
would ever end up at the same twig twice. However, if he starts on a twig
and makes his way back to the ground, his path would be repeated without
fail. If the twig is symbolic of one of many dynamic qualities put forth by
the tree, and the trunk of the tree represents static quality, determinism
exists only because there may be a finite number of twigs.
Additionally, I agree that "good" exists, but I would assert that "evil"
does not. Natural phenomena that parallel my assertion would include the
existence of heat vs. cold (which is simply the absence of heat), light vs.
darkness (which is the absence of light), and life vs. death (which is the
absence of life). Hitler's words are the cold dark death of chaos. Martin
Luther King's words are the warm, light, life of love. And love will
eventually win because chaos will eat its own young and betray its own
friends.
Regards
Halgrimbar
----- Original Message -----
From: Joćo Correia da Silva <joao.silva@optimus.pt>
To: <moq_focus@moq.org>
Sent: May 23, 2001 6:12 AM
Subject: MF Free Will, Self, Good
> Hi all,
> 0
>
>
> Confused about the existence and nature of the SELF and the FREE WILL, I
> decided to collect different perspectives in order to bring light to this
> subject...
>
> Started by asking myself..
>
> MYSELF - What?! My doubts are about the existence of something independent
> from myself.. My WILL is FREE, of course.
>
> Then, I called Descartes..
>
> DESCARTES - Cogito, ergo sum. Everyone's WILL is determined. All future
> events can be predicted by extrapolation of the present.
>
> Well.. maybe Planck can help me here..
>
> PLANCK - From the point of view of the subject, WILL is FREE. From the
> outside, WILL is DETERMINED.
>
> So, my WILL is FREE, other's WILLs are DETERMINED!?* I'm more confused
> ,now.. I guess the GOOD will decide, not the TRUTH..
>
>
>
>
>
> "What is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good.. do we need anyone to tell
us
> these things?"
>
> GOOD - When the decision/behavior matches the one of a GOOD GOD, its a
good
> decision/behavior
> When the subject decides/behaves in the same way that he
> would if all mankind imitated him, its a good decision/behavior
> When the subject decides/behaves in a way that maximises his
> reward/well being, its a good decision/behavior
> ........
> ........
> Even Intellectually, we have many competing GOODs. Probably,
> the best way to do good comes from outside all rationales.. its an
> infinitely complex problem to solve.. If you think you can, you can. You
do
> GOOD.
>
> As we decide, one of the major influences to the decision is the good/bad
> perception patterns of each option. One tries to behave in a way that he
can
> see/feel as the BEST way (as GOOD as one can, rather than BAD). Continuing
> with this good/bad knife, we could then say that all actions/behaviors
> (WILLs?) are equally GOOD in its nature.. This is the Individualistic
> perspective. But, for sure, not all actions/behaviors are equally GOOD in
a
> Social perspective. We're Hitler's actions/wills as good as MLKing's?
>
> Being common to all human beings (at least), this good/bad feeling (my
> belief is that it begins with a feeling, that is intellectualised
> afterwards) that results from doing or perceiving something good/bad, must
> have associated biological patterns (hormones?)**.
>
>
> Therefore, my belief is that THE GOOD EXISTS (intellectually, socially and
> biologically)... IN YOURSELF.
>
>
>
> STAY GOOD,
> Joćo
>
>
>
> *That could lead to a universe where one present (t) comes from one
> immediate past (t-dt) but leads to an infinite number of immediate futures
> (t+dt). Yet, one's self follows/perceives only one t+dt (which one? - the
> nagual decides?). This is getting confusing..
> After I act one way, there's another me that followed the other way (I'm
> simplifying here, actions happen every instant and there is an infinite
> number of different ones) and will live his life aswell (well, his present
> (t) will lead to infinite immediate futures (t+dt)).. So, are we
multiplying
> ourselves every moment?
> Can this JUMP from a linear universe to a tree of parallel universes
resolve
> the free will/determinism question? Of course this is merely an
unverifiable
> abstraction.. There could be a GOOD here, to follow the BEST life of all.
> Does this make sense?
>
> **since the mind's physical basis extends to the whole body - the
brain/body
> split is not abrupt, the nerves cover all the body as extensions of the
> brain.
>
>
>
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