Re: MF Which comes first?

From: Magnus Berg (McMagnus@hem.passagen.se)
Date: Mon Jun 04 2001 - 10:11:38 BST


Hi Marco, Jonathan and MF

> In the past Roger concluded:
>
> "the slip-sorting method refers not to time, but to metaphysical or logical
> primacy"
>
> I ask:
>
> a) Is there agreement about Rog's conclusion?

I agree.

> b) If yes, what does it mean "logical primacy"?

Perhaps in hierarchical order of dependency. The first ones are
hypotheses, the others are deductions. If a deduction is inconsistent
with observation, at least one of its hypotheses is false.

> c) Isn't time, after all, a concept, a logical construct ?

I'd say it's inorganic value. But I would really like to take it one
step further and call it quantum level value. I think it's one of the results
of the development of the quantum level and is used by the inorganic level
to build its stuff. Just as the biological level uses matter of the inorganic
level to build its stuff.

It's simply better to order quality events after each other and to force
each event to operate on the result on the one before. And that's one of
the things the quantum level does. When we leave the inorganic world and
enter the quantum level, time does not exist anymore, right?

One word about Jonathan mentioning Pirsig's quote:
   In general, given a choice of two courses
   to follow and all other things being equal,
   that choice which is more Dynamic, that is,
   at a higher level of evolution, is more moral.

The law of thermodynamics is merely one inorganic manifestation of Pirsig's
more general, metaphysical, statement. There are lots of other examples,
inorganic and others. I'd guess, well hope anyway, Pirsig paid much attention
to all those examples he could come up with, including thermodynamics, when he
formulated the quote above.

        Magnus

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