Hi Marty...
Sorry the wikipedia.com was just a footnote showing that if the community
decides to improve the implementation, there are several options.
But the WIKI technology is pretty amazing stuff.. it is collaborative
knowledge development, where a group can converge, via agreement, on
the expression of fundamental points.
However, since we are talking about WIKI now, I was picturing this as
a possible direction for the collective (group) of the Lila Squad to
come to agreement on the basic discoveries of the past few years.
Someone raised the concern that it is not easy to find the accomplishments
of the group.. and dealt a challenging blow to the community, which I think
has brought up an excellent question:
Has the Lila Squad and MoQ.org's MD/MF significantly advanced
the application and fundamentals of the Metaphysics of Quality?
I believe it is a resounding YES: There have been thousands of human
hours of active mentation on the subject. Nonetheless, it is not obvious
or easily graspable. Projects like Lila's Child required the active work
of _one_ person. It took Robert M. Pirsig pouring out his old tea to create
the MoQ, organizing these active thoughts into one form. Well, the
Lila Squad and the current members of MoQ.org could be considered a
collective organism that needs to rinse out its old tea. Yet, all the
solutions being proposed would require massive amount of work by a few
librarians.
The WIKI concept allows for everyone to play author and editor at the same
time.. Its like a Chaordic process (chaos (DQ) mixed with order (SQ)) and
will be interestingly chaotic at birth, but over time the ideas will compete
and self-organize. Rather than an endless train of posts, the collective
knowledge of the MoQ.org community will self-organize into a publication..
and a dynamic one at that, that will be in an eternal now.
^========== By the way, this is a suggestion as a separate project.. not
a replacement of the MD/MF forums.. unfortunately, I rambled a bit, but wanted
to carefully get out the thoughts.
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As for the BBS, perhaps I should give an introduction of what they _are_.
Back in the 1980s, when many people were still using Commodore, Amiga, and
various IBM clones, they often bought a modem with the computer. There was
no internet, however, and what they dialed into were local community places to
get information. The were called Bulletin Board Services (BBSs), which were
built off the analogy of the local community bulletin board where people would
post advertisements and announcements for free with only paper and a thumbtack.
Well, the paper was the computer and the thumbtack was the modem.
The first BBSs only allowed one user on at a time, so it was like a random
bulletin board in the physical world.
Now in the physical world, picture two or more people arriving at the community
bulletin board at the same time. They could dynamically talk, in the moment,
about what they were posting. So, BBSs started adding multiple phone lines
so people could dial into, and allowed people to chat and post. Over time,
the internet allowed these services to integrate people from all across the world,
not just from local communities. This dynamic side of the multi-node (many lines,
many users) BBS is what I am saying the MoQ.org is missing.
The BBSs are relatively user friendly.. there is a small learning curve, but
many benefits that come with it.
..............
Yet, these are just solutions to a problem I perceive.. unless everyone agrees
and perceives it, the implementations are a waste of my time to write about
and your time to read. The first step is to agree on the central problem/conflict.
Hope this mail has value and clears things up. Furthermore, I hope it isn't ignored.
So far the response to this thread across MD and MF has been scarce and I fear I
have wasted my time here...
--s
On Tue, Jan 08, 2002 at 07:48:40AM -0800, Marty Jorgensen wrote:
> Hi Joel - Thanks for the information - I am not familiar with a BBS or how
> it functions, which leads to my confusion; I assume there are others on the
> MF with the same concerns who aren't speaking. I looked at
> http://wikipedia.com, and from that I gather that your proposed solution
> allows for multiple editing and posting of articles/opinions on defined
> subjects - is that correct? Is the basic idea that the issues that arise on
> the MD/MF would be organized in the same manner? If so, it appears that a
> great deal of organizing, editing and summarizing would be necessary - how
> would this happen? Or am I missing something?
>
> Marty J
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