Greetings sir...
As I've explored SeedWiki more, it appears that there -is- quite a bit of
'Microsoft' web code behind the technology. Wim was also asked to download
an ActiveX control to run the 'edit' portion. The 'proprietary' portion
seems to be limited to that control, developed by another company (I don't
think it's Microsoft). I believe a lot of the codebase in the wiki is based
on home-brewed programming...
FYI, there is an open-source wiki at http://openwiki.com and the authors
could have utilized that. We could, too.
Thanks for your thoughts on the 'quotes'. Let me pull this up to a larger
point...
I'm not part of the MoQ_discuss group anymore. It hadn't added any value to
my day for a long time, so I simplified things. I'm excellent friends with
another young man on this list, Joel Kotarski. We met thru this group, and
we've taken to our own philosophical pursuits. Quality and Pirsig only
comes up occasionally now. Not that MoQ isn't of importance to us... quite
the contrary. But, so far, the 'end' of my investigation, which brought me
to MoQ seems to have fulfilled itself.
I leave one foot still in the door because I found the MoQ group to be a
patient and kind community, welcoming of round and broad discussion. It was
a community that I wished to remain a part of and see prosper. So I decided
that my contribution would be in 'facilitation'. I built the MoQ 'Brain',
as well as the paragraph collection that I forwarded to you. When I saw
Joel's suggestion of Wiki, I was excited but stayed off to the side while
the idea was incubated. A few days/posts later I saw interest in having our
own Wiki. Not wanting to promise anything, I quietly went to work.
My only interest is in facilitating further discussion. My input on the
discussion end has not seemed to be vital, as of yet, but if I could use my
talents to help evolve that discussion, that would be just as good.
I don't want to 'own' the MoQWiki... I just wanted to 'seed' it then step
out. Which I am doing now. I do apologize that it is a bit unstable...
however, from the 4 different wikis that I investigated, this is by far the
best free service (unless the group wishes to pool resources to pay for its
own).
I now feel my attention being pulled elsewhere, and the negative-resonance
I've felt in the last couple weeks seems to confirm my suspicion. It is an
open question whether I have 'helped' at all, and if the truth sides with
the contrary, I submit all apology.
Thank you for the discussion and I leave you
With warm regards,
Christopher Galtenberg
----- Original Message -----
From: "Horse" <horse@darkstar.uk.net>
To: "Christopher Galtenberg" <c@galtenberg.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2002 18.42
Subject: Re: WIKI Stuff
Hi Christopher
Apologies for the delay - my partner is away for a couple of days and I have
3 kids (4 yr old girl twins
and a 12 yr old boy) who need amusing so by the time I get them to bed about
the only thing I'm good
for is sitting semi-comatose in front of the TV - and that's on a good day.
Anyway.....
Re: WIKI
OK I went to http://www.seedwiki.com/page.cfm?doc=MoQWiki&wikiid=69 and had
a poke around. I
thought I'd add my name to the members section. I clicked on the 'EDIT THIS
PAGE' section and a new
page popped up with this message in it:
This Wiki uses the Active Edit control, but your browser does not support
it. Pages will have lots of
HTML tags in them. You can still edit pages, but you must use HTML for
markup instead of Wiki codes.
To create a new document first make a link to it in an existing document
by entering a single word with at least two uppercase characters in it.
: Examples: ValidDocument, ValidDOC, ValidDocumentName, VDM
I assume that the Active Edit control is a Microsoft control of some form
but I am not sure as all the
browsers I tried initially (Opera6, Netscape4.7 and Mozilla0.9.6) gave me
the same message so I tried
MS Internet Explorer which promptly froze on me as soon as I tried to go to
the edit page.
I've assumed that Active Edit control is of M$ origin but I may be mistaken.
Additionally, having a single name (i.e. Horse) does not seem to be entirely
in line with using 2
uppercase chars. to invoke the creation of a page.
So not an auspicious start when all's said and done. However as I am
completely new to this and it
looks like it could be good and I may be being a complete twat in my use of
the system I shan't make
any lasting judgements just yet. I wouldn't mind a bit of help though if you
have a while. I'm not entirely
incompetent technically as I am a a programmer for a living (mainly C but
with a smattering of C++, VB,
Assembler etc) and understand basic HTML. There's no rush as my task
tomorrow night will be to put
some time into gathering tasks and ideas together for the site and
formatting a couple of essays and if
I get enought time after that linking the essays to the site.
Re: THE MISSING FILE
A couple of problems here:
1) It's too big - I've set a limit of 20K for file size as this seems to
preclude the transmission of most
viruses (I've caught about 15 so far this month all heading for the list)
2) It's XML and as such does nasty things to some email packages and won't
display in others (mine
f'rinstance). Quite a few members prefer text only email (and considering
the possibility for viruses on
code-active email tools such as Outlook I don't blame them) and lets face it
there's not an enormous
need for formatted emails in a philosophical discussion.
3) We haven't gotten around to deciding what to do with the list yet so I
don't want to jump the gun on
discussions of quotes just yet. This doesn't mean that it won't be useful
soon but it will probably more
useful on a webpage on the site and referenced.
You're probably thinking I'm trying to be awkward and defensive but honestly
I'm not. I want this to work
as much as you and what is uppermost in my mind here is the added benefit
this could provide for the
MoQ - and I believe it could be considerable. This seems to be your intent
also so hopefully we can
work together to get this moving.
One thing that does worry me somewhat at the moment (possibly groundlessly)
is the dependence the
WIKI system has w.r.t Microsoft and their methodologies. Do you happen to
know how much of the
system is MS based, how much has some other proprietary basis and how much
is Open Source (or at
the very least Open Standard based).
Anyway, it's 1:30 am I've been up since 7:30 yesterday morning and I'm
knackered so I'm off to get
stoned listen to some nice music have a drink, read a book and then go to
bed - and not necessarily in
that order. :^)
Looking forward to hearing from you
Horse
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