From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Tue Mar 01 2005 - 05:55:39 GMT
Dear David B. & others participating,
You wrote 27 Feb 2005 13:20:07 -0700:
'I think two different ideas are getting squished together here. When we say
that DQ is the primary empirical reality, it is an assertion about the MOQ's
epistemology and not about the relative value or worth of DQ. When we say DQ
is the primary empirical reality, the word "primary" means first in a
sequence, the most basic kind, the starting point. It does not mean DQ is
better than sq, more important than sq or anything like that. I think we all
can recall Pirsig's repeated insistence that both are vital and necessary.
Seen this way, there is no conflict between the idea that DQ is primary and
the idea that DQ and sq are "a contradictory identity".'
For me personally DQ is higher in my value hierarchy than sq, but that's a
matter of SOMish 'value' attributed by a subject (me) to objectified
concepts. DQ and sq are indeed equally essential to the MoQ.
Quality experience (or Quality or experience) is primary to the experience
of objects and subjects, as distinguishing objects and subjects requires
making a metaphysical split in one's experience.
Quality experience (or Quality or experience) is primary to the experience
of DQ and sq, as distinguishing DQ and sq requires making a metaphysical
split in one's experience.
One needs experience before one can classify it.
I don't see why DQ should be primary to sq.
So I don't see why associating "feeling" with a branch of sq (biological
quality) AND with "primary experience" would present us with a problem. When
we use the concept "feeling" (or "emotion") we simply use a different way of
classifying Quality experience, that doesn't need to fit specific categories
in the MoQ. Sometimes a feeling will correspond with a bits of sq from
several levels, at other times it will also contain some DQ. Sometimes only
biological quality will be included, at other times also other types of sq.
So what? That only illustrates that "feeling" (and "emotion") won't serve us
well to define DQ, sq and the several types of sq.
With friendly greetings,
Wim
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