Doug Renselle (renselle@on-net.net)
Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:20:45 +0100
Jimmy Bornhoeft Mikkelsen wrote:
> First of all let me say that I do find it possible to find other
> levels. In Lila P. sayes that the intellectual level is quite new.
> But I also think that new levels will be new. Something that devellops
>
> from the intellectual level.
>
> But lets return to the question about the quantum level.
> I have snipped something from a discussion of Quantum theory that
> I have been observing.
> (To make a very short and very simple resume: When the subatomic
> particles are not observed, they "do not exist")
>
> -snip
> Measurements are always, in principle, repeatable. Once a measurement
> is
> carried out and a result is obtained, the state of the measured system
>
> must
> be such as to guarantee that if that measurement is repeated, the same
>
> result will obtain (given no "tampering" in the interim). Sub-atomic
> "particles" are, when not observed, in a state of superposition. When
> measured, or observed, the effect of measuring an "observable" (QM
> lingo
> for "measurable properties of physical systems") must necessarily be
> to
> CHANGE the state of the measure system, to "collapse" it, to make it
> "jump"
> from whatever it may have been just prior to the measurement into some
>
> particular state. Which such particular state it gets changed into is
> determined by the outcome of the measurement. And what determines what
>
> state? According to another tenent of QM, probability. It is at this
> point
> in QM, and at no other point other than this one, that an element of
> pure
> chance enters into the evolution of the state vector of an observable.
>
> We
> CANNOT repeat the measurement and get identical results. Since we
> cannot
> know how the state vector of an observable will collapse, except is
> probabilistically, we must be uncertain of the outcome.
> -snip
>
> This must mean, if I understand it correctly, that before we measure
> the particle it is in the superposition.
> We might say that before it is measured it does not exist, as nothing
> but pure dynamic quality (This might sound mystical...), but when we
> measure it (give it value, it springs into existance as a inorganic
> value pattern. This means that quantum scientists look at particles
> that are formed from nothing(Some eastern philosophers says that the
> universe is made of nothing)/quality into matter, and back again.
Yes. Pirsig says this is essentially the same as the Quality event.
>From Pirsig's EMM paper, "The Quality event is the cause of the subjects
and objects...this Quality event corresponds to what Bohr means by
observation."
>
>
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