LS Re: On thrones and chairs


Bodvar Skutvik (skutvik@online.no)
Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:28:40 +0100


To the Lila Squad.

In my last entry in the "thrones&chair" thread I managed to end up (horror)
in a subjective corner. From there leads no door so I'll have to wade
across the "board" to the starting point again.

I did not explicitly use the term subjective, but from Diana's comment: "I
neglected the subjective side to values" I realize my blunder. So whatever
I say from now is kicking my own behind.

A value, however shifty (as in the counterfeit money case) is not
subjective, the subjective term - as well as the objective - is foreign to
the MOQ. The value of an Inorganic artifact or of a biological organism (a
pet for instance) seen from the higher levels' point of view is as real as
real comes IN THAT VALUE LEVEL'S CONTEXT.

I once said that seen from within, any level fills every nook of the
universe. Life regards everything as leading up to its creation, sustaining
or threatening it. So does Society. Everything dead (inorganic) or
alive(organic) are positive or negative social values. Values from below
are everything from minor nuisances to outright evil while the value of
the Intellect is transparent or invisible. Dirt (Inorganic value) at wrong
places diminishes my social status as a clean person. Burping at the table
- or worse sounds - (organic value) may destroy it completely. Life's more
powerful values, sex for instance must be directed into acceptable
channels, the "evil" greed or lust given some acceptable social form.

The same goes for the Intellect. Seen from its high ideas/rationality perch
every bit of the universe is high or low intellectual value. We do our
discussion from Intellect's premises, and my error was to try to decide how
Society looks upon this and that ...in an Intellectual way. Its impossible;
THE METAPHYSICS OF ... cannot be employed at other value levels other than
the
Intellect..only QUALITY can. Human beings - when focussed on the social -
or lower - level are not Intellectual. When we start rationalizing why we
like that and hate that we're back on the Intellectual level. This why it
is so horribly important to get the distinction between the MOQ Intellect
and the SOM "Mind" sorted out.

Focus can only be in one level at a time, the transit is like the Gestalt
Psychology two-profiles-or-one-vase perception: One moment you see one
reality, the next another. I am sitting at the keyboard totally submerged
in the Intellectual, but a headache or a feeling of hunger and in a flash I
am a biological organism. I may even go all the way to the Inorganic when I
die (excuse the social unacceptable morbidity). Reading LS mail is
Intellect, but then I see a sarcastic remark and suddenly my (hurt) social
self is in focus (Even the Internet and Lila Squad is a small pocket
society with its rules and status).

I have a better feeling for this entry, hope it don't ruin my "celebrity"
completey.

Bo

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