Platt Holden (pholden@worldnet.att.net)
Thu, 20 Nov 1997 04:48:24 +0100
Fun Time Again Magnus!
>
> > > Then how do you explain E=m*c^2 in MoQ terms?
> >
> > In MoQ terms, Einstein's famous formula is a high quality static
> > intellectual value pattern.
>
> You can interpret anything on the net as intellectual SPoV. But
> you're avoiding the issue. There's an amazingly exact match between
> the mass of matter and the amount of energy you can get by transforming
> it to energy.
>
> To me, that says that the relationship between matter and energy is
> analogous to the relationship between, say water vs. oxygen and
> hydrogen. Different levels are involved, that's all.
>
I think you've answered your own question.
> > > Nobody knows the true nature of matter either.
> >
> > I agree. But in MoQ terms, "Matter is just the name for certain
inorganic
> > value patterns." (Lila, Chapter 11.)
>
> Doesn't that hint that Pirsig also thinks that there are other
> manifestations of inorganic SPoV?
>
Maybe. I'm not sure what Pirsig means by "certain." Any ideas?
> > >But it would be dead wrong to leave something as
> > > static and predictable as energy out of a metaphysics.
> >
> > Energy is static and predictable? Tell that to someone whose house
burned
> > down after being struck by lightning. Some forms of energy are
predictable,
> > others not.
>
> Some forms of matter are predictable, others not. A meteorite would be
the
> matter equivalence to lightning.
>
Hardly. Meteorites are propelled by gravity. But yes, some forms of matter
are unpredictable, man-made forms in particular.
> > Pirsig hasn't left energy out of the Metaphysics of Quality.
> > It's called Dynamic Quality.
>
> I just couldn't agree less. Are you surprised when you let go of a cup of
> coffee and it falls to the ground? Every time?
>
No I'm not surprised. Gravity is just one form of energy that's
predictable. Energy comes in many other forms, kinetic, atomic, molecular,
electromagnetic, etc. Dynamic Quality is another form, unmeasurable by
science to be sure, but nevertheless a force to be reckoned with!
Platt
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