Hugo Fjelsted Alroe (alroe@vip.cybercity.dk)
Mon, 8 Dec 1997 05:18:08 +0100
Diana,
>PROGRAM Basics of the MoQ
>
>Aim = establish the basics.
>Method = develop principles
I agree on this being the overall goal of the Lila Squad. And, while I
perhaps am not as concerned about there being a lot of less focused
discussion going on, I agree that this must not distract us from the
overall goal, as it has to some degree been the case lately.
I am in fact spending nearly all my time on trying to get a hold of,
perhaps not MoQ as Pirsig sees it, but a version of MoQ which I can
understand and somehow picture.
That is, for me to establish basics and principles for myself (greatly
inspired by Pirsig of course), I have found it necessary, as you said
Diana, to work with the whole thing at the same time. This is not a very
productive working method, and not one which can be done in a community, I
think. But, even if we cannot share our more intuitive paths toward
establishing a consistent foundation, we can and should do our best to
convey the basics we do believe to have a hold of, and expose them to the
probing questions of others on the squad. This has in fact been going on,
on the squad, but it has also crumbled away again as Diana points out. I
think transferring these more stable conjectures in the dynamic discussion
to the website is an important move against them crumbling away, and in our
making some progress. Diana suggested the first step being _very_ basic,
and in a previous mail she gave 6 basic principles:
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1. The Quality principle
Quality is the fundamental nature of reality. Quality is morality,
goodness, rightness, value, experience, sensation, awareness,
consciousness and the Self.
2. The Dynamic-static split
The best way to split Quality is into dynamic and static quality.
Dynamic quality is experienced as freedom, newness, excellence, fun,
beauty. Static quality is experienced as structure, normality, apathy,
stability.
3. The four static levels
There are four discrete types of static value: inorganic, biological,
social and intellectual. These are experienced as patterns of physical
matter, life, culture and thought, respectively.
4. Static conflict
Each static level sees itself as the highest good and tries to dominate
the others.
5. Static dependency
Although the higher levels constantly try to break free from the lower
ones they are also dependent on them and should not destroy them
6. The hierarchy of morality
The purpose of all Quality is to do what is moral and the order of
morality from lowest to highest is inorganic, biological, social,
intellectual and Dynamic. The static levels also exhibit low quality and
high quality patterns within themselves.
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I am quite confident on the first two (well, perhaps not the examples ...),
on the third I have been trying to figure out why I was at odds with others
on LS, and I will give a more coherent version of my take on this 'in a
short while'.
On # 4 and 5 I agree on the gist, I think, but I will try to find a less
personalized formulation, perhaps rereading Bodvar will do the trick.
# 6 I have not yet been able to picture to my satisfaction.
I will try to take due consideration to the contributions from Platt and
Bodvar too (thanks Maggie for focusing our efforts on these), and see if I
can bring it any further.
Hugo
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