Doug Renselle (renselle@on-net.net)
Wed, 28 Jan 1998 19:59:53 +0100
Hi Bo, and TLS,
See comments below -
Bodvar Skutvik wrote:
>
> Sat, 24 Jan 1998 08:43:28 -0500
> Doug Renselle wrote:
>
> > If you believe in ONE TRUTH -- SOM TRUTH -- my answer has to be,
> "No!"
>
> Doug.
> I should have known better than mess with your pet greeting: "many
> truths" :-). No need for it either, you are on firm ground, it's only
> that it may look like a "sophism" for a first uninitiated glance.
>
Bo,
Some time ago, Platt made the cogent observation that the adieux, 'Many
truths to you,' was a potential relativism. That prompted my barrage on
context (the 15Oct97 email). Platt and I ended up agreeing that many
truths IS relativistic in SOM reality; But NOT in MoQ reality. Pirsig
hits this pretty hard in ZMM leading to and during his Henri Poincaré
(Pwan Ka Ray) discussion. Then he hits it again in the SODV paper when
he talks about each of us possessing different contexts or repertoires
of patterns.
In the USA, right now, we are experiencing a case of an individual who
practices many truths (socially relativistically) in a culture that is
SOM-based. The press and many of the SOM-public are nonplused because
of the resulting contradictions, paradice, dilemmas, and ironies. As we
have seen, the consequences are awful.
Most sociopaths do this. Static definitions for English language terms
enhances their capacity to do it. It is a telling attribute of
sociopathy. The USA culture expects our leaders to tell SOM truth in
its SOM cultural context. (The SOMites say, "Tell me what I want to
hear, not what you said!" Without local context definition, one garners
frequent lack of communication upon which the sociopath depends.)
Those of us who know MoQ, are not perplexed! We see what is happening
and recognize the contradictions, etc., are caused by SOM and the
sociopath's frequent and unstated context changes. The true sociopath
moves optimally among the contexts providing maximal delusional
advantage. (Can't you imagine every sentence containing a
context-adjusting preamble? My mother-in-law loses me all the time,
because she changes contexts dramatically and instantly without the
preambles!? :)
So, as TLS can see, we have a long way to go. As I said, SOM truth
practiced inside the intellectual level of MoQ produces an only slightly
modified SOMland. MoQ truth (many truths) practiced sociopathologically
without regard to cultural boundaries in SOM produces the very dynamic
effects we see in the USA now. This verbal viral mutation may cause our
cultural immune system to adapt in ways we may not like. Forgive my
SOMese here. In MoQese, "Our cultural immune system adaptations prefer
verbal viral mutations we may not like." I need to practice!
Of course, most MoQites adhere the local repertoire of truths in their
own culture, yet can move adaptively among many other cultural and
various contexts. Too, they can resolve contradictions and dilemmas
through their keen awareness of the many-truths-in-the-many-contexts
they interpenetrate. Let's face it...the simpler days are gone. That's
DQ. But MoQ has helped me and Beth understand the goings-on among our
own political un-elite.
Again, context is a critical issue for MoQ.
Doug Renselle.
> > "Don't throw away those Mu answers. . .They're the ones you GROW
> on!"
>
> The "mu" of ZMM is for me the first omen of the MOQ to come in LILA.
Bo,
I agree, plus the Poincaré segment and the text leading up to it.
Doug Renselle.
> The subject/object position compares to the ZERO and ONE of a computer
> while MU is the third greater reality outside the machine context:
> QUALITY in other words.
>
> Doug. Remember the prodigy William James Sidis that Pirsig speaks
> about? Have you, or anyone else, read anything about or by him. There
> is the book (The Animate and Inanimate) that Buckminster Fuller
> praised and said predicted the existence of black holes - in 1925.
> Interesting. I tried to search for it through a local library, but
> they weren't able to locate it. "Amazon com." could possibly get a
> copy, but to a price!
>
Bo,
Yes, I remember Pirsig's comments about Sidis. Can you imagine the
spine-tingling he must have felt when he discovered Sidis' work? Wow!
I have not heard of his works anywhere outside of 'Lila.'
I will look and see if I can find any other sources of Sidis' writing.
I think it would help us here on TLS, much the way Hugo's efforts with
Pierce have helped.
By-the-way, I experienced much resonance with your latest email to
Hugo. Thanks for that, Bo. Also, I sent him a private email soliciting
his continued activity here in TLS.
I think we have an outstanding team here, especially with recent
additions like Anthony, Dave, Steve, Clark, Martin, etc. (I can't list
them all...:)
And again, Diana is about to 'cure' the foundation.
Mtty'all,
;-)
Doug Renselle.
> Bo
-- "Don't throw away those Mu answers. . .They're the ones you GROW on!"By Robert M. Pirsig, in 'Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance,' p. 290, Bantam (paperback), 28th edition, 1982.
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