Magnus Berg (qmgb@bull.se)
Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:49:04 +0100
Hi Peter and squad
peter@pzw1.resnet.cornell.edu wrote:
>
> this is actually something i've been wondering about: is it really always
> immoral for a pattern of value on the lower order/level to inhibit the
> behaviors of a pattern of value on a higher level?
Not quite, check the principles, especially nr 8 & 9 on:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/4670/moq.html
> however, lots of philosophers probably are trapped in the church of reason
> and try to be objective in the wrong ways for the wrong reasons. i'm just
> defending the virtue of the meta-philosophical ideal of "objectivity".
Lars pursued this elusive word "objective" a while ago. Did you reach
a conclusion?
> i think the issue here is that donny is saying pirsig wants to make
> Quality have the "truth status" that "brute fact" has in the
> Subject-Object metaphysics, and magnus is turned off by the idea because
> "brute fact" is synonymous with "objectivity" in the Subject-Object
> Metaphysics. no one is saying that pirsig asserted Quality is objective,
> just that he thinks - as, presumably, do we all - that Quality is as real
> and as "true" as any "objective" thing in the Subject-Object Metaphysics.
Let me quote Doug from 980124:
> SOM seeks TRUTH.
>
> MoQ seeks GOOD!
>
> In SOM GOOD is subordinate to TRUTH.
>
> In MoQ TRUTH is subordinate to GOOD.
> hmm... "there's no such truth as a 'brute fact' truth"? what does that
> mean? i can somewhat understand the history part, but i'm not so sure i
> know what you mean about Relativity and Quantum Mechanics...
Actually, these two could be included in the history part too. But I'll
give two examples:
Relativity:
Before relativity, the proposition "time is constant" was true.
Afterwards, it wasn't.
Quantum Mechanics:
Before QM, the proposition "nothing, not even information, can travel
locally faster than light" was true. Afterwards, it wasn't.
Magnus
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