Ant McWatt (ant11@liverpool.ac.uk)
Wed, 18 Mar 1998 03:25:38 +0100
Magnus, Doug and the LS,
On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:34:13 +0000 Doug Renselle
<renselle@on-net.net> wrote:
> Anthony and TLS,
>
> See one minor question below Anthony...
> > This is worth repeating in conjunction with what I`ve
> > written above as the SOM myth (which you are perpetuating)
> > that an observer may objectively observe an object in
> > isolation has to be laid to rest before you can
> > understand the MOQ properly.
> >
> Anthony,
>
> Who is 'you' in your parenthetical in the previous paragraph?
>
> Thank you for this excellent contribution to TLS, Anthony.
Thanks for the comment Doug; the "you" in the parenthetical
is Magnus.
Magnus wrote:
>Any SPoV can be subject or object in any experience
>(Quality Event).
I replied:
>>From the MOQ point of view there are no such things as
>>subjects or objects.
Magnus replied:
>And if you really want to be extreme about it, there's
>only Q.
Too true (from a pragmatic viewpoint).
>(Hmm, anyone knows if there's a connection between MoQ
>and Q from Star Trek TNG?)
Well Magnus, Q is one of my favourite characters in Star
Trek TNG so if you equate him with the underlying ordering
principle of the universe then there might be something in
what you say.
>Subject and object are just common and usable terms for
>the two SPoVs in a QE. Do you suggest that we scrap'em
>and use other terms? I think it's practical to use separate
>terms for the two, exchangeable but separate...
I`ll get back to your other comments when I`ve got
time to answer them properly. I`m still not sure if
the use of subjects and objects is a good idea even
if you know what these terms mean in "MoQese".
I`m tempted to bury them in the scrapheap of
dead cultural terms but we still use terms such as "up" and
"down" which were invented for a flat world and not a
sphere so I really don`t know.
What do other members think?
Best Wishes,
Anthony.
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