Doug Renselle (renselle@on-net.net)
Thu, 19 Mar 1998 03:45:54 +0100
Andy and TLS,
Comments below -
Andrew_Russell/FS/KSG@ksg.harvard.edu wrote:
>
> Doug wrote:
>
> >Just had another epiphany this morning and was searching for a phrase
> >related to reality and cosmology when I ran into this:
> >
> >http://www.kingsu.ab.ca/~brian/templeton/quantum.htm
> >
> >Haven't read the whole page, but it looks tantalizing. Especially
> for
> >those of us who are interested in how quantum science relates to MoQ.
>
> I can't say enough about _Quantum Questions_ by Ken Wilber. This book
> is
> an edited collection of the mystical writings of the great quantum
> physicists - Jeans, Planck, Eddington, Einstein, etc. Book should be
> avail. through amazon or on the shambhala web page. It reveals a deep
> mystical drive in these physicists, some of them Nobel laureates, and
> discusses the bridge between science and religion.
>
> Andy
>
> "Something unknown is doing we don't know what."
>
> -Sir Arthur Eddington's comment on the Uncertainty Principle
>
Andy,
This is the first time I have heard/seen the name Jeans. I am familiar
with the other names above.
I am already into chapter 4 of the book reviewed at the above URL,
titled 'Quantum Reality,' by Nick Herbert.
Herbert agrees as you stated above re: Wilber's book the founding
fathers of quantum science/mechanics (QM) share very
mystical/metaphysical perceptions of reality.
Herbert tells us that among them, Einstein is the only one addled by the
old, SOM classical legacy. SOM had such a brain lock on Einstein that
he could not accept the mystical aspects of QM.
And for you, Hugo -- Herbert talks a lot about the contextual aspects of
QM.
He also spends time on von Neumann's [provisional] proof that there is
no Static Quality quantum reality, i.e., his proof said that subatomic
or Quantum SPoVs are not ordinary patterns of value. This proof did not
hold up. (I'm intentionally using MoQese.)
Bohm shows that we can view Quantum SPoVs as real SQ analogs, but in
order to do so, their local contexts must be superluminally connected to
all other Quantum SPoVs via an unknown medium. John Bell's theorem and
subsequent QM experiments show us that superluminal connections do
exist. Superluminality is required for the instantaneous quantum
science interrelationships of the entity and its experimental context,
e.g., the Science magazine article I sent all of you last week.
By-the-way superluminality destroys SOM's cause and effect platypus in a
different manner than Pirsig's "prefers preconditions..."
How did von Neumann make his mistake and get the [provisionally] wrong
answers in his proof? He made, just like Einstein, 'reasonable' SOM
assumptions. His key reasonable assumption was that there are no
superluminal phenomena!
Einstein's worst reasonable assumption was that the multiverse is
TOTALLY deterministic. His second one was the same as the one von
Neumann made. I do not know any others yet.
Does all this sound familiar? Can you see the duals twixt the two MoQs?
Herbert's book uses SOM language to describe 'Quantum Reality,'
(actually eight different quantum realities) but Pirsig's MoQ resounds
throughout. You can just see the philosophical underpinnings of
Pirsig's MoQ for QM. I keep saying, "Yes! Yes!" QM and MoQ are fecund
kin, brethren!
Read Herbert's book if you can. I'll look for 'Quantum Questions.' As
Maggie suggested, Jayne's book about the 'Bicameral Mind' is next on my
list.
Mtty Andy,
Doug Renselle.
-- The complementary view of truth is many truths which are contextual, and by being contextual they leave room for the good to rule. It is not objectivism, which has no place for the good, and it is not relativism, which has no place for truth.By Hugo Fjelsted Alroe in his email to The Lila Squad on 11 March 1998, 17:44 titled, "LS Re: Rambling on intellect and life."
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