Doug Renselle (renselle@on-net.net)
Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:10:08 +0100
Anthony and TLS,
YES! YES! YES!
It delights me that you still have the energy to pursue this.
Hugo, can you simplify this whole thing (I'm beginning to sound like
Diana! :)?
We did not discard SOM, we subsumed its rearrangement and
reclassification, but we did not nor do we wish (opinion) to adopt SOM
as MoQ's intellect.
Anthony makes a key point: how is MoQ's intellect different from SOM as
intellect of MoQ (SAIOM)? The answer for me is that SOM rejects/denies
Value. MoQ embraces/creates Value.
So if we make SOM the intellect of MoQ what changes in SAIOM that
enlightens it to Value? Explain how all of a sudden SOM knows how to
classify value where prior it did not!?
Thank you for your persistence Anthony!
Mtty,
Doug Renselle.
-- Ant McWatt wrote: > > Subject/objective metaphysics As Intellect Of MOQ (Again!). > > > TO BE IS TO DO (Socrates) > > TO DO IS TO BE (Sartre) > > DO BE DO-BE DO (Sinatra) > > On the 23rd March 1998, Bodvar wrote (or sang...?): > > > Hi Maggie > > > I heard your request above the din. A twenty word summary > > of the SAIOM idea? Impossible, but take it in steps. > > > Remember our initial attempts to define the Intellectual > > value level? The lower levels seemed pretty > > self-evident, but the top one evaded us. > > The first and most obvious; as mind (of SOM's > > mind/matter) raises serious trouble - look to Kevin's > > fretting over what is good and bad if Intellect's (as > > thinking) ideas takes precedence over everything > > else. > > Bo, > > Please state the exact problem here i.e. why does (the > Western notion of) mind as intellect raise SERIOUS trouble? > > > For long I held that language (linguistic symbol > > manipulation) was the solution, then we went over to > > rationality, math; scientific method even. From my LILA > > copy I see that I have jotted down a NB dated 1993 > > about the correlation between the events that ZMM > > describes (the birth of subject/object thinking in the > > early Greek culture) and the emergence of the > > Intellectual level in LILA. So finally I launched the > > SAIOM idea: the Intellect of MOQ IS subject/object > > metaphysics itself! > > What about the Intellectual level in Eastern thinking? > That isn`t SOM is it? > > > The benefits are. One: It once and for all brings the > > wrong, but ineradicable SOM-lag, Intellect-as-mind out in > > the open. Now Intellect is seen as thinking in a > > particular way: the subject/object way. > > I don`t think Intellect is necessarily thinking in the s/o > way. > > > Two: SO (the M dropped) is brought inside the MOQ > > fold, no longer a competing metaphysics lurking outside > > in a meta-metaphysical realm. It has a satisfying closed > > circle effect on me, but no more rhetorics! > > SOM has inherent metaphysical defects in it (e.g. > mind/matter etc). Aren`t we in danger of re-introducing > these if we introduce SOM into MOQ? Why isn`t it better > just to move on and concentrate on the problems that might > arise solely with the MOQ and forget SOM all together? > > > This was the shortest I could manage, hope you get the > > gist of it. Only Platt and Magnus have endorsed it > > (Kevin perhaps?) while Hugo is doubtful and Doug has put > > it in the "junk" tray... > > Anthony has an open mind but still needs to be convinced! > > I look forward to your answers, Bodvar. > > Best Wishes, > > Anthony. > > -- > post message - mailto:lilasqd@hkg.com > unsubscribe/queries - mailto:diana@asiantravel.com > homepage - http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/4670 > >-- "I believe that it is only when you try and tell someone else what you think that you begin to understand it yourself."Diana McPartlin, Founder, Counselor, and WebMaster of The Lila Squad, TLS -- TLS, that notorious place where persistent promulgators propound Pirsigian philosophy.
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