clark (clark@netsites.net)
Thu, 18 Jun 1998 20:06:22 +0100
Bodvar and Lila Squad,
Reading your post to Jonathan this morning gave me an insight into where
our differences lie with regard to the MOQ. In the past I have been puzzled
when you branded my thinking as SOM when it did not seem to be so to me. I
think I now see where the confusion comes in.
You wrote:
I think the
observer/observed phenomenon is confined to the Q-Intellectual level.
Mystification of matter is a sure sign of SOM residue. However, the
MOQ is a "spiritualisation" of all existence; AN ENORMOUS
LIBERATION!!!!
As I interpret this passage you view the MOQ as a SPIRITUAL continuum in
which the intellectual level (mind) is no different in operation than the
inorganic level (or the pre-sentient (uncool) levels). All is under the
control of the spiritually directed MOQ.
I view the MOQ as a product of the physical organization of the universe
as it resulted from the falling energy levels at the time of the beginning.
In this view the uncool level patterns were established from which all
uncool organization naturally resulted. This is what I consider the origin
of the "Force for greater information content" that we observe operating in
the uncool levels of the MOQ. There is no doubt that such a force is in
effect otherwise we would not be discussing this problem.
In your view I can see where there is no conflict between the uncool
levels and the cool levels of the MOQ.
In my view there is a problem between the uncool levels and the cool
levels because cool (sentience) superimposes a degree of control into the
MOQ as a result of the injection of mind (intellectual level) into the
operating system that was not there in the uncool levels. If we think of
the Earth as a living system that was built up by the operation of the
non-sentient (uncool) phase of the MOQ then I think that the injection of
mind (sentience, cool) into the operation of the MOQ results in a conflict
between uncool MOQ and cool MOQ as far as the Earth is concerned. Mind
(cool MOQ) tends to see what is in its short term interest whereas uncool
MOQ rolls on in it's purely physical direction heedless of cool MOQ.
Because of the fact that uncool MOQ will always win in any conflict of
interest with the cool MOQ I think that we need to be aware of these
possible conflicts and take them into account in our consideration of the
workings of the intellectual level. Of course, there is never any real
conflict between cool and uncool MOQ but when you are up to your a-- in
alligators it is hard to remember that your aim was originally to drain the
swamp.
Bodvar, if you can I would like to read your explanation of your
Spiritual view of the MOQ. Where does the spirituality reside and so forth.
I think you can see why my point of view impels me to try to reconcile
the MOQ with Logical Positivism. I am just a literal minded fellow who
needs to have everything fully explained. I hope you can also see where my
view of the MOQ does not have a terrible problem with SOM thinking, in the
intellectual level or otherwise. I also do not have a problem with any of
Pirsig's construction of the MOQ except that I think it needs to be
extended to take account of what I see as the potential conflict between
the uncool and cool divisions of the MOQ. Hope I have made myself
reasonably clear. Ken
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