Ant McWatt (ant11@liverpool.ac.uk)
Thu, 2 Jul 1998 07:16:13 +0100
On Thu, 02 Jul 1998 00:06:44 +0000 glove
<glove@indianvalley.com> wrote:
> hello all
Evening all!
Heartbreak Hotel (Part Two)...
> Bo wrote:
>
> Being the originator of the "physics constant" suggestion I feel
> called upon to answer your attack on the MOQ - even if your letter was
> directed to Horse.
> Your criticism of Pirsig wasn't very exact, it sounded more like an
> argument against Darwinism, so my commentary will not be very
> specific re. your assertions either.
>
> my comments:
>
> please do not think i am attacking MOQ. i am very impressed by it and i
> am re reading lila in an effort to perhaps see if i have missed
> something of value, which is very likely.
So on your first reading, there was nothing of value?
> i am merely attempting to
> reconcile what pirsig sees as an evolutionary improvement via quality in
> universe with what i have observed as a pick-and-choose individualistic
> awareness of universe that exists merely because our awareness of it
> exists.
Elvis, Buddy, Johnny, and the Aliens return in force.
Touring at a town near YOUUU!
>
> i am not criticizing anyone and have only the utmost respect for pirsig
> and his MOQ formulation. its a tremendous acheivement.
WHY is the MOQ a "tremendous achievement"?
> because someone
> does not agree with the idea, however, doesnt mean that all they do is
> criticize. i am examining it in an effort to relationalize it into my
> own observational views of universe. that examination may be somewhat
> awkward compared to what you are used to, therefore have patience. i
> find its very much like trying to dance with the earth...where does one
> begin?
You know a very well educated friend of mine booked a
course on shamenism/druids/witchcraft/TM. It only cost him
£800 - he'll tell you where to begin.
>
> my writings are all nonsensical until you can let go of judgements of
> right and wrong in your own mind, as the reader, which i admit is asking
> quite alot.
Yes, I think I know where your idea of letting go of right
and wrong is leading to, Glove. I see myself in 1944 in
Germany... I am surrounded by naked people; fathers,
mothers and children: some of them I recognize as my
neighbours or friends; oh no, the showers, what is this
coming out instead of water; I can't breathe. Oh God, Help
us...
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
> and yes, i do revert back to darwinian evolution quite a
> bit as does pirsig himself.
Pirsig refers to COSMOLOGICAL evolution.
> darwinism can be compared to the repeating
> pattern that has been around so long that his ideas seem to be a
> 'permanment' part of human ideology, dont you think?
No. Not even with philosophers who incorporate ideas of
19th century evolution in their ideas (let alone proper
"scientists"). Moreover, most of "his" ideas were a
synthesis of his immediate and contemporary peers.
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