Michael Darling (madarlin@ouray.cudenver.edu)
Tue, 7 Jul 1998 04:22:33 +0100
I cannot concurr that 'reality itself' is unreachable, that all we have
are models. If that is true then perception is reality as far as we are
concerned and at the very least this leaves out the possiblity of all
things which exist but are not observed. If SQ-DQ are that all
encompassing- reality must be addressed, not just perceptions (models).
If SQ-DQ are going to be change versus permanence- then DQ should be the
permanence part, ie, the only thing we know for sure is that everything
changes and stasis is a myth. (Leaving out the linguistic paradox that
if everything changes then the process of change could alter in a way
that nothing changes. Linguistic inefficiency should not be taken for
legitimate truth finding.) So the change part- SQ- is that process by
which everything is always changing.
BTW- if we are going to define the 'observor' as "mind", and conclude
that something must have mass or energy to exist, mind must mean brain
to exist, right? Does the observor actually have mass or energy? It
seems like "mind" really means ego- which has neither mass nor energy.
Rather it is a pattern that organizes energy.
<snips>
>You said the other week that the question whether a tree that falls
>in the forest without anybody hearing it actually falls, was pure
>semantics. ... I'd value a more elaborate description of possible
>interpretations...
--I always thought this to mean that if you define sound as "something
--heard" then sound can only exist with a listener. On the other hand,
if
--you describe sound as pressure oscillations, then the falling tree
--always makes a sound.
Exactly the point of the question: is the observor necessary for reality
to exist? If perception is reality, then the observor must we present.
But this doesn't feel right. (Though it certainly feeds and pleases the
ego.) Experience, especially observations, suggests that an observor
exists, ie that an observor is real. But this doesn't prove that
observations are necessary for reality to exist.
So, gravity is real, oberved or not. Newton's Law of Gravity required
Newton. DQ is that how gravity exists changes over time- SQ is that
gravity changes.
Michael
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