Re: MD In Defense Of Socialism?

From: Platt Holden (
Date: Mon May 28 2001 - 02:53:19 BST

Hi Horse and all other left-wing, pinko, bed-wetting liberals :-) (Yes--just joking.)

While it seems to be the belief among many Europeans that
Americans are too dumb to know the difference between socialism
and communism, I can assure you that is not always the case. At least
you must admit that Pirsig knows the difference when he writes in
Chap. 21 of Lila, "The advent of both democratic and communistic
socialism and the fascist reaction to them has been the consequence
of this earthquake."

What puts socialism and communism in the same boat is as Pirsig
describes them in Chap. 22--both "programs for intellectual control
over society." When you have to wait six months for an operation as you
do in many socialist countries where the health system is intellectually
controlled, you realize the importance of making room for Dynamic
Quality, i.e., privatization. Here in this selfish, greedy, corporate
controlled capitalist country, you get operated on within days, sooner if
your situation is life threatening, even if you hate the money-grubbing
surgeon and the profiteering system that supports him. :-)


> Hi Rog, Platt and all other Imperialist Fascist Scumbags :-) (only joking - honest!)
> There is one serious flaw in your post Rog. You confuse Socialism with Communism as do
> many Americans and non-europeans. Socialism existed long before Marx and Engels
> drafted the Communist Manifesto and will (does) continue long after Communism has
> disappeared. The UK had a Socialist government (off and on) for a number of years in the
> 50's, 60's and 70's and did very well under them - the Open University being a prime
> example of this.
> If we're going to debate this subject then the least you (and everyone else come to that) could
> do is to ensure that the terminology and definitions are correct. Mistakenly referencing
> Socialism for Communism and vice versa is little better than mistaking Capitalism for
> Fascism - although the distinction in this case is probably moot :-)
> Horse

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