Re: MD Sophocles not Socrates

From: Scott R (jse885@spinn.net)
Date: Sun Nov 10 2002 - 18:39:37 GMT

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    Sam,

    I was about to reply to a much earlier post of yours on this thread when my
    computer crashed, so consider this a general response to your overall scheme
    to replace the characterization of the fourth level as "intellectual" with
    "eudaimonic" (earlier "individual"). In brief, I think it is wrong, for two
    reasons, both of which revolve around the significance of intellect.

    Several times you (and others) characterize the intellectual level as
    "logical " and "rational". While not incorrect, this misses the significance
    of the intellect in human evolution. That significance is that the
    intellectual level creates subjects and objects. (Yes, I am promoting
    SOLAQI, though I find Owen Barfield's "Saving the Appearances" invaluable
    for understanding why this point is central). The individual, and hence
    eudaimonic promotion, depend on the intellect having made that split of
    reality into subjects and objects.

    Now, having lived with that split for hundreds of years, to the point of
    believing that that split is absolute (SOM), we are beginning to see its
    limits (as mystics have from the beginning), and start wondering about the
    next level,and it is that next level that Jesus et al are (trying to)
    reveal. The significance of the prologue of St John's gospel is, in my
    opinion, that the way to the next level is to realize the intellectual level
    in its mystical fullness (this is my perennial argument with John B.), which
    means we can't attempt to downplay it. Which brings me to my second reason.

    It is that, like John B. and Squonk and others, I think you are falling for
    the SOM view of intellect, that it is somehow opposed to art, compassion,
    and the like, that is only the subject thinking about objects. And yes, this
    is what is implied in the dictionary definitions. But that is because in our
    fallen SOT state we have only the palest reflection of true intellect.
    Rather, I think we should view our intellectual level as a tiny appendage of
    the true intellect, what St. John calls the Logos and Plotinus calls Nous.
    In sum, I think both MOQ *and* Christian theology lose immensely by
    downplaying the intellect.

    - Scott

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