RE: MD A bit of reasoning

From: Scott Roberts (jse885@earthlink.net)
Date: Fri Oct 15 2004 - 14:23:56 BST

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    Chuck,

    > That sounds good, but how does DQ limit itself?

    Beats me. There is always a point beyond which our limited human intellects
    can't go, or if they go, can't describe.

    - Scott

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]
    > On Behalf Of Scott Roberts
    > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:26 AM
    > To: moq_discuss@moq.org
    > Subject: Re: MD A bit of reasoning
    >
    > David M,
    >
    > I agree, though one can also put it in terms of "limitation". By limiting
    > itself DQ creates SQ, but such limitation does not diminish DQ in the
    > slightest -- only someone hung up on some particular SQ has a limited
    > appreciation of DQ, so the individual may be said to have withdrawn.
    >
    > Merrell-Wolff, by the way, says that his mystical experience taught him
    > that the more ponderable a thing is, the less Real it is, which is
    > basically expressing this same idea.
    >
    > - Scott
    >
    >
    > > [Original Message]
    > > From: David Morey <us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk>
    > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > > Date: 10/13/2004 2:59:44 PM
    > > Subject: Re: MD A bit of reasoning
    > >
    > > Hi folks
    > >
    > > I still like to bang on about my view that
    > > SQ is the withdrawal of DQ. Does anyone
    > > else get this? DQ is full of limitless possibilities.
    > > If it expresses one possibility and withdraws we
    > > are left with only repeats. This is SQ. Any other takers
    > > for my humble idea? It links very nicely with god as the withdrawn
    > > one in some religious writings.
    > >
    > > regards
    > > DM
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > ----- Original Message -----
    > > From: "Scott Roberts" <jse885@earthlink.net>
    > > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:33 PM
    > > Subject: Re: MD A bit of reasoning
    > >
    > >
    > > > Joe,
    > > >
    > > > > [joe] it is hard for me to discard a mystical experience of DQ!
    > > >
    > > > No reason to, as far as I can see. Human intellect is different from
    > > > Intellect, and mystical experience can be seen as a momentary
    > breakthrough
    > > > of Intellect.
    > > >
    > > > Do the self
    > > > > and awareness share the same definition? To say a couple of things
    > about
    > > > DQ
    > > > > like 'creativity' and 'drives evolution' acknowledges a mystical
    > sense.
    > > > What
    > > > > are its limits?
    > > >
    > > > Since DQ sets limits (which are SQ) it is unlimited.
    > > >
    > > > > IMO morality is not merely the logic of awareness. Morality
    > > > > is the response of awareness to the evolution of levels. How can I
    > avoid
    > > > SOM
    > > > > if I divide self and awareness?
    > > >
    > > > Why divide them? To distinguish is not to divide. SOM makes the
    division
    > > > real, but in the MOQ (and what I am aiming at), awareness creates the
    > self
    > > > and what it is aware of in the act of awareness.
    > > >
    > > > IMO awareness is dynamic only in relation to
    > > > > its own existence. IMO my focus, awareness, is extremely limited. I
    > want
    > > > to
    > > > > experience the fullness of DQ!
    > > >
    > > > "You" cannot experience the fullness of DQ, if I understand what
    mystics
    > > > are saying. The fullness of DQ creates/experiences many "you's" by
    > setting
    > > > limits. (IMO, of course.)
    > > >
    > > > - Scott
    > > >
    > > >
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