From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sun Oct 17 2004 - 13:02:15 BST
Scott: I am saying that when Pirsig sees the intellectual level as something
to
get through on the way to pure DQ he has missed something: that,
occasionally, we are DQ.
DM: I do not think he says this. I think he says that DQ is necessary to
creare all the levels. There are the first three levels of static patterns
and then a forth that we need to name. An intellectual level with
intellectual products on it seems fair enough. Actually I have gone
off the word static as clearly these patterns do evolve and do not emerge
at once in a complete state. How about 'enduring' patterns of EQ.
And dynamic also seem to mean emerging quality, but damn it that's EQ as
well. So enduring quality emerges on all levels. I think the intellectual
content
on the levels increases as we get to the highest level, so I agree witrh
Scott
that intellect does not emerge exclusively with the 4th level. It is also
clear
that human being are both made up of enduring quality and also open
up to the possibility of new qualities emerging i.e. DQ. I think when Pirsig
says pre-intellectual he means DQ has the quality of something new, it may
require the clearing (at a new level) to be prepared by SQ but into the
clearly emerges something
new. Scott thinks that the emerging and new forms that will become SQ have
evidence of intelligent formation/creation. I agree. I do not think Pirsig
would
disagree either. But I think Pirsig wants to hint at the newness most by
saying we could not foresee intellectually this new form/pattern. I think
people
who have great insight often feel this shock at what emerges before them.
So I think we have intellectual products but with something new emerging not
just the same again being rearranged. Here what emerges, emerges from
something
beyond the individual, from a more cosmic source, both beyond us but also
revealed within us.
DM
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