From: Richard Loggins (brloggins@yahoo.com)
Date: Mon Oct 25 2004 - 02:46:51 BST
I can see why that was coincidental to you. I understand the Shannon quote now.
Thanks. Rich
Erin <macavity11@yahoo.com> wrote:
First let me explain why I think it is coincidental for me and why it may not be for you. You may be already decided about what "faith" means, are you? It seems many people have a clear stance on it here. I don't, which is why it has been on my mind a lot lately to try to explore WHAT IT EXACTLY MEANS and how I feel about it. So I have never had somebody respond by putting a definition at the end of the email, (quotes, signatures, etc yes but no a straight out defintion) and when it does happen it is directly the concept I have been trying to understand. The "wierd" part to me is that the email has nothing remotely religious related, it was just about getting an address from someone I don't know. I think why it doesn't seem coincidental to you is that you have n! ot been contemplating what faith means (maybe the meaning is already clear to you) and so seeing that definition would be more analagous to seeing a bumper sticker on faith or some quote of faith (which wouldn't
strike me as coincidental either).
I have been interested in a topic expectations and surprise and how we learn from them. The only reason I put that Shannon theory is because it my recent disocvery of another person who is interested in the topic. There is a long list of others. I am going to give one more quote that maybe better explains it. (For me it seems related to dynamic quality but not sure yet).
Bobrow and Norman (1975) argued that the most important input to learning is what is least expected: “If an event occurs that is totally expected, then there is little information to be gained from its detailed analysis. If the event deviates from expectations, or if an event that is expected fails to occur, or if an event that one is not prepared for does occur, then these are special events and must be given priority in processing” (p.144). Thus, processing seeks to account for the discrepancies between what was expected and what occurred or did not occur.
Erin
Richard Loggins <brloggins@yahoo.com> wrote:
I do apologized for not taking your coincidence seriously. I just don't think IT IS ALL THAT coincidetal. I don't think the Red Sox was a coincidence either, although it is interesting that they WON. I was just being silly. Can you explain why Shannon thinks the amount of information in a message is a measure of surprise? I don't get that. Please explain that to me. Rich
--- Erin <macavity11@yahoo.com> wrote:
> By the way what I meant about your example not
> really a coincidence to me I was considering---the
> probability of your example was very high and not at
> all surprising. I think my example was very low
> probability and very surprising, and meaningful.
> ********************************************************************
> In the late 1940s Claude Shannon, a research
> mathematician at Bell Telephone Laboratories,
> invented a mathematical theory of communication that
> gave the first systematic framework in which to
> optimally design telephone systems. In order to
> quantitatively analyze transmission through the
> channel he also introduced a measure of the amount
> of information in a message. To Shannon the amount
> of information is a measure of surprise and is
> closely related to the chance of ! ! one of several
> messages being transmitted. For Shannon a message is
> very informative if the chance of its occurrence is
> small. If, in contrast, a message is very
> predictable, then it has a small amount of
> information---one is not surprised to receive it.
>
>
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