Re: MD Where does quality reside?

From: Mark Steven Heyman (
Date: Tue Nov 02 2004 - 00:30:13 GMT

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    On 1 Nov 2004 at 16:22, Platt Holden wrote:
    > msh says:
    > Metaphor is poetry. If your understanding of poetry is that it is
    > "writing just for emotional effect", and that it must be broken up
    > into short lines that rhyme, then your understanding of poetry is
    > next to non-existent.

    My understanding of poetry exists in the Merriam-Webster Online

    2 : writing that formulates a concentrated imaginative awareness of
    experience in language chosen and arranged to create a specific
    emotional response through meaning, sound, and rhythm

    And who said anything about short lines that rhyme? Why do you make
    up such stuff?

    msh says:
    Make up what stuff? My statement was a simple conditional, which may
    or may not apply to you. I was filling in the gaps, trying to
    understand why you'd think that Pirsig's use of metaphor and other
    poetic devices doesn't constitute the writing of poetry. The only
    thing I could see, off the top of my head, was that the lines weren't
    short and didn't rhyme. If you are now changing your mind and
    recognizing the highly poetic nature of ZMM and LILA, then good for
    you. BTW, going to a dictionary for an understanding of poetry is
    like examining a pallet to experience a painting. You, of all
    people, should know better.

    But he does say Quality is a "creative force" which implies that it
    prefers and chooses.

    msh says:
    Sez who? Well, let's use the analogy of the Sun. The sun is a
    creative force. How does it perceive and choose? Similarly, what
    does it mean to say Quality chooses? Chooses what? Compared to


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