Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Society

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Wed Jul 20 2005 - 14:02:25 BST

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    > platt 7-18-05:
    > Well, I'd say if voluntarism is the issue that it's a lot easier to
    > voluntarily opt out of the gym than a country.
    >
    > msh 7-18-05:
    > This is an odd thing to say, coming from someone who regularly asks
    > people who criticise American policy why they don't move somewhere
    > else.

    Unsupported assertion; no evidence whatsoever.

    > platt:
    > In using "havoc" I was thinking of gulags and ovens, not labor relations.
    > There is a difference wouldn't you say?
    >
    > msh 7-18-05:
    > Not to the people who have been killed by strike-busting thugs
    > (usually cops or private company police), or to children worked to
    > death in sweatshops, or to people who have burned to death in
    > sweatshop fires, such as the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire, or in modern
    > day sweatshop fires in Bangladesh, Indonesia, China. In the US,
    > much of this business behavior was curtailed by the Fair Labor
    > Standards Act of 1938, part of The New Deal. However, sweatshops
    > still exist today, even here. See below.

    To compare such wrongs to the mass human extinctions of Stalinism, Maoism,
    Nazism and Pol Pot is obscene.

    > arlo:
    > > But I'm curious, and this is just a rephrasing of what MSH has been
    > > asking, what tax-based services do you feel are in-line with the MOQ, and
    > > which are not? Let me ask specifically about the ones afforementioned:
    > >
    > > Public roads? State parks? Libraries? Public transportation? Museums?
    > > Public legal representation? EMT services?
    > >
    > > Are there any services that are NOT provided by taxes that you feel
    > > should be? Or that should be expanded? (I've suggested more funding for
    > > libraries and museums, for example).
    >
    > platt 7-18-05:
    > I don't see anything in the MOQ that is "in line with" the tax-based
    > services you mention. Perhaps you can refer me to the appropriate quotes?
    >
    > msh 7-18-05:
    > This is non-responsive. Can you find a quote in ZMM or LILA that's
    > "in line with" the idea that tax dollars should continue to be
    > funnelled into the pockets of Halliburton and other fraudulent
    > contractors servicing the war in Iraq?

    Unresponsive and evasive.

    > This is just another form of evasion common on The Carousel of Faux
    > Philosophy. An idea does not have to be explicitly stated in the MOQ, and
    > be blessed by Robert Pirsig, to be a valuable idea derived from MOQ
    > principles.

    Obvious distortion, no comment required..

    > From what has been said by MOQ-Con-Liverpool attendees, the
    > last thing Pirsig wants us to do is to make him the celebrity center and
    > final arbiter of the Metaphysics of Quality.
     
    Better him than you I'd say. :-)

    Platt
     

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