Re: MD Where is the Zen&

From: gav (gav_gc@yahoo.com.au)
Date: Sun Jul 31 2005 - 15:12:29 BST

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    hey platt,
    isn't zen about losing the individual in the whole?

    --- Platt Holden <pholden@sc.rr.com> wrote:

    > Hi Erin,
    >
    > Thanks for reminding us of Pirsig's embrace of the
    > individual. As you
    > know, the individual has been preeminent with me
    > from the get go. That
    > individualism is under attack by those who think
    > society's values are
    > equal to the individual' s I find deeply disturbing
    > because of the threat
    > of such thinking to freedom and evolution. Pirsig's
    > celebration of the
    > individual contrarian is no joke. Evolution depends
    > on the guy out of step
    > with his peers.
    >
    > Platt
    >
    > > I wasn't sure what thread I wanted to add this to
    > ....it seems to parallel
    > > a few of the threads (e.g.call for involvement in
    > political discussions;
    > > role of individual) going on but think I will
    > stick it in here.
    > >
    > > pg. 304 ZMM
    > >
    > > "I think that ti f we are going to reform the
    > world, and make it a better
    > > place to live in, thw ay to do it is not with talk
    > about relationships of a
    > > political nature, which are inevitablly dualistic,
    > full of subjects and
    > > objects and their relationship to one another; or
    > with programs full of
    > > things for other people to do. I think that kind
    > of approach starts it at
    > > the end and presumes the end is the beginning.
    > Programs of a political
    > > nature are important end products of social
    > quality that can be effective
    > > only if the underlying structure of social values
    > is right. The social
    > > values are right only if the individual values are
    > right. The place to
    > > improve the world is first in one's own heart and
    > head and hands, and then
    > > work outward from there. Other people can talk
    > about how to expand the
    > > destiny of mankind. I just want to talk about how
    > to fix a motorcycle. I
    > > think that what I have to say has more lasting
    > value."
    >
    >
    >
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