From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Fri Mar 14 2003 - 22:48:12 GMT
Hi Andy:
> Your replies were, of course, expected. And they are not the imaginative
> thoughts I am looking for. THanks anyways.
Sorry to disappoint.
> You said:
> Well, without universals, it's just your opinion against the dictator's.
> And he's got the guns.
>
> Andy: Yes, and this is why we need some vision. The way out is to make it
> the world's opinion against the dictator or any other unelected leader who
> has the guns. I can see progress in achieveing this vision around the
> world today.
Where?
> You answered my: There is something to be said to the secret police.
> Mainly, “Get the hell out of my house.” with:
>
> Like that's going to really scare them away.
>
> Andy: Of course, by the time the secret police comes through the door
> there will be little to do to deter them from achieving whatever objective
> they came with to achieve. So, I don't suppose my telling them to leave
> will scare them. However, the point of this statement was to make it a
> priority of any society to prevent abuses of power that allow the
> infringement of civil liberties by governments and the secret police. In
> America, I don't presently see progress in this vision.
Where do you see better constitutional protections than in the U.S.?
> You suggest:
> What needs to be done to dictators who intentionally use overt physical
> force on others is to kill them like bugs.
>
> I wonder: What price do you put on such an objective. How many innocent
> civilians would you be willing to let die "like bugs" while trying to
> squish this dictator. I don't have much sympathy for brutal dictators
> anywhere in the world, but killing people "like bugs" is the most inhumane
> suggestion one can imagine. Thanks for putting some thought into your
> reply though.
Which of the following wars would you not have fought?
American Revolution
Civil War
World War II against Germany
World War II against Japan
Korean War
Gulf War
> Finally, you remark:
> I guess so. Utopia is still a dream.
> Platt
>
> Andy: Indeed, and what would life be if we weren't allowed to dream?
No one, not even the most ruthless dictator, can stop you from
dreaming . . . or thinking.
Platt
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