From: Elizaphanian (elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Sat Jun 28 2003 - 19:31:26 BST
Hi Platt,
You said:
> I follow Pirsig's line that the social level applies only to humans, not
> animals. I also follow his line that intellectual patterns were present at
> the beginning of the social level and in fact were necessary for the
> social level to survive. So I agree that the social level first separated
> us from the animals. Symbol-making is the Rosetta stone for identifying
> humans and the primary requirement for the emergence of levels three and
> four.
and
Humanity without intellect is a bunch of monkeys. The ability to collect
and manipulate symbols that stand for patterns of experience (Pirsig's
definition of intellect) distinguishs man from ape, plus a few genes.
Is it your view, then, that levels 3 and 4 evolved simultaneously (ie as soon as there was
subjective awareness, or whatever it is that Pirsig uses to describe the difference between levels
1/2 and levels 3/4)? So there was never a significant period of time when there were only level 3
values?
Sam
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almost exact translation of the Sanskrit word 'dharma', sometimes described as the 'one' of the
Hindus. Can the 'dharma' of the Hindus and the 'virtue' of the Ancient Greeks be identical?" - The
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