Re: MD Self-consciousness

From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Fri Sep 05 2003 - 11:10:06 BST

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    Sorry, there was an error on this. My paragraph should read:

    > Sam says: I think self consciousness is a property of language in the same way that organic
    material
    > is a "property" of the INorganic level - it can't exist without it, but they are really quite
    > different things. That depends on seeing language as a social phenomenon of course, which some
    > disagree with.

    Sam

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Sam Norton" <elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:48 PM
    Subject: Re: MD Self-consciousness

    > Hi Andy, Platt, others,
    >
    > Briefly on this:
    >
    > [Platt]
    > > > Would you elaborate on self-consciousness as a property of language? I
    > > > always considered properties of language to be grammar like nouns,
    > > > verbs, adjectives, active/passive voices, similes, metaphors, etc. To
    > > > include self-consciousness among such properties is a stretch to say
    > > > the least.
    > [Andy]
    > > True enough! When I say self-consciousness is a property of language I mean we
    > > would not have the ability to know that we are conscious beings without it. We
    > > would have no concept of thoughts without language. This is a extremely
    > > troubling concept, but I don't think it is that out of the ordinary.
    > > WIttgenstein and others have said similar things. And Scott's interest in
    > > consciousness began from his study in computer science on language. So, I think
    > > he understands where I am coming from when I say that.
    >
    > Sam says: I think self consciousness is a property of language in the same way that organic
    material
    > is a "property" of the organic level - it can't exist without it, but they are really quite
    > different things. That depends on seeing language as a social phenomenon of course, which some
    > disagree with.
    >
    > Sam
    >
    >
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