From: Mark Steven Heyman (markheyman@infoproconsulting.com)
Date: Tue Jun 29 2004 - 21:40:02 BST
Yeah, the more I think about this race thing...
Am I wrong in thinking that, in the MOQ, it isn't possible for VPs at
one level to directly create or affect VPs at a different level?
In SOM science, this seems possible: the IDEAS resulting in man-made
elements, for example; or splitting the atom; gene manipulation
resulting in new organisms. Even groups of people deciding to
migrate to different geographical locations, resulting, over time,
in the different "races" and the apparent correlation to genetic
variations. I mean, this is saying that a social decision, moving,
results in a genetic variation, a "new" set of alleles. Biological
evolution in SOM science provides a way of understanding how this
happens.
I guess I don't understand how this is explained in the MOQ. I
thought I did but now I'm not so sure. It can't be, as Johnny
suggests, that the different races are just a result of moral quality
decisions, though I'm sure that's part of it. I mean the moral
quality decision is made based on appearances that are changed
overtime as a result of living in a different geo area. That is, the
appearance change comes first. It seems like social VPs CAN create
bio VPs? Which leads back to my opening question...
Am I wrong in thinking that, in the MOQ, it isn't possible for VPs at
one level to directly create or affect VPs at a different level?
I should have quit when I thought I knew what I was talking about.
Best,
Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
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On 29 Jun 2004 at 18:03, johnny moral wrote:
One more thought:
>Just imagine the bio level BEFORE the human social level was laid
>upon it. Did race exist then?
Horse: I don't think it did
Surely biological evolution would not be possible without members of
a
species that could mate together choosing to not mate together any
more, because they identify each other as different looking. I'm not
talking about geographical isolation, but a species dividing and
evolving separately in the same area. Surely that happens sometimes,
right? Or is all evolution and subdivision due to physical geography
separating the two branches of the original species?
Would it be a social pattern to not mate with the birds with the
bigger beaks, or a biological pattern that says who you should mate
with? The choice of who to mate with is a moral quality decision
either way, doing what is perceived as better. It results in there
being races. I think racism is Intellectual, it is a pattern formed
when social patterns such as kinship and loyalty interact in
predictable ways, and there is a choice ABOUT society to be made. Of
course, there are other intellectual patterns about society that
oppose racism.
Johnny
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