Re: LS Program: Instant cloning

From: Boone Bradley (boone_bradley@hotmail.com)
Date: Sun Feb 07 1999 - 02:51:38 GMT


Greetings fellow LSers,

The discussion so far has been of interest to me, and being required to
post every two weeks, why not now? I don't believe that we can create
an exact copy of a human, but I'm not convinced with the arguments put
forth so far. Magnus seems to have encapsulated many of those points,
so that is the post to which I am responding.

>Sure, we can make exact copies of all the four levels.
>Well, perhaps not just yet but some day. The problem here
>is that we have to make that copy by sampling each and
>every inorganic pattern in the body, just as we do when we
>record a CD or shoot a movie. The problem is that such a copy
>would be as static as Roger's jazz CD and Rick's word processor.
>As Troy pointed out, we can't copy DQ, so the copy will be
>all static.

Why is this so? I agree that we can't copy DQ, but wouldn't our clone
meet DQ upon his first thought or step, just as the rest of us? If you
say no, it would seem to imply that the DQ I experience is unique from
the DQ you experience -- that, however, is not a leap I want to take; it
would only end in some form of Aristotlian classification of different
"types of DQ," seemingly violating the proposed solution to SOM.

<skipping sequential order in original post>
>The bottom line is, I don't think the MoQ allows us to copy
>a person. The main reason is that explicit copying requires
>us to objectify the person, we'd make an objective copy of
>the original, the self would not be copied.

Once again, I must ask why this is so. If we could copy exactly all
four levels (as proposed as possible in the first quote) the clone would
be identical to the original at time = 0, just like a static CD or
computer program. However, the characteristic that makes us human is
our particular relationship with DQ. Would not that clone, identical at
the time of creation, begin his own interaction with DQ and thereby
differentiate himself from the original as a unique human being? I also
don't see how "objectifying the original" fits within the MoQ; static
patterns -- created by DQ -- are copied into identical static patterns
which then grow corresponding to their own interaction with DQ, right?

>My gut feeling is that a human's "soul" will also be
>consumed in that process, or rather, it will remain on
>its side of the Quality Event, which from its point of
>view is the subject side.

Not nearly as complex as a "human soul," but I think relevant, is
another quirk of Quantum Mechanics. A single particle can exist
simultaneously in two different places. The "cloned" (if you want to
look at it that way) particle retains the "soul" -- spin, charge, etc --
of the original. Does the Moq say this can't happen with humans?

Well, I'd really like for you to prove me wrong -- for some reason, I
just feel that we can't "copy" a human. Since I'm fairly new here,
forgive me if I'm just dumb. :-) Anyway, best wishes to all of you
(cloned or not).

Regards,
Boone

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