>Dear Nick,
> As a newcomer to this list, I'm at a loss to comprehend all of the
>abbreviations used by the "old timers." Heck, I don't even know what moq
>means.
"Old Timer"?!? I'm not even 30 yet, don't call me an old timer!
I see there's been an excellant response to the pleas for explanations of
the acronyms, that should be OK now.
Similarly, can anyone break down "logical positivism" and "cultural
relativism" into digestable chunks ?
>"We should take care not to make the intellect our God; it has, of
>course, powerful muscles, but no personality."-Albert Einstein
>"Pure logic is the ruin of the spirit."-Saint-Exupery
>"A mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed that
>uses it."-Rabindranath Tagore
> Cheers,
> Jeff
Excellant quotes
Can I misquote Fritjof Capra
_Mysticism is something you do - there's a limit to how much can be gained
from thinking about it_
IMHO Pirsig is thinking about it rather than doing it. He presents a
perfectly workable way of rationalising [as far as I know all] things which
allows it to be a viable (by Capras axioms) upgrade to the existing
scientific way of rationalising things - namely SOM.. If the world of
science acknowledges the shift from SOM to a mystical interpretation of
reality, then in doing so it encourages "doing mysticism" and all that that
implies.
IMHO the money worries expressed in recent postings come under the Buddhist
view of craving. Its simply an inefficient way of satisfying our desire to
be happy, a point which becomes clearer when you consider the 'unself' view
of individuality.
Pirsig would have benifited from not craving intellectual satisfaction.
>Overthinking becomes tedious, and delivers little of substance. Not
>thinking at
>all is no solution. The world is full of gullible innocents who would not
>be
>harmed by a little critical thought. But wisdom is not having a 'you beaut'
>metaphysics that explains everything. And that's the limitation of
>endlessly
>discussing Pirsig's MOQ. Isn't anyone else tired?
I'm not tired yet, but its well worth sitting back and pegging out the
priorities. I don't know how much more we need to know about the subtle
differences that can be observed in the world other than the fact that it
could well go on for ever. The big issues, as per the opening chapters of
ZAMM, are the state of the moral of the masses - arguably fuelled by the
belief that happiness comes from things which are bought but not afforded -
and the corporate giants which are out of control and causing too much
damage.
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