Jello:
Just a few comments on the candidates so far. I'd like to suggest that many
of the suggestions be ruled out because they are essentially amoral; logic,
math, and reason. The subject/object divide, laws to interpet and the laws
of schema are dubious for the same reason. I'm not saying these things are
necessarily immoral or useless or anything like that. But if the MOQ's is to
serve as a moral compass and the fourth level is a level of VALUES, then it
seems winning description has to clearly reflect a moral principle. Plus the
author is explicit about it.
PIRSIG...
This soup of sentiments about logically nonexistent entities can be
straightened out by the Metaphysics of Quality. It says that what is meant
by "human rights" is usually the moral code of intellect-vs.-society, the
moral right of intellect to be free of social control. Freedom of speech;
freedom of assembly, of travel; trial by jury; habeas corpus; government by
consent-these "human rights" are all intellect-vs.-society issues.
PIRSIG...
But what the larger intellectual structure of the Metaphysics of Quality
makes clear is that this political battle of science to free itself from
domination by social moral codes was in fact a *moral* battle!
> Erin-[the laws of freedom] in which the ideal was " to be free and
independent"
> Jonathan- [the laws of laws]-"That would capture the self-referential
> aspect of intellect."
> Platt-[logical consistency or math and logic]- "The fourth level of
> intellect is based on the inflexible laws of math."
> Marco-[Human Rights] are the set of laws the intellectual patterns have
> invented to keep at bay social patterns.
> 3WD- [the philosopy of laws] - or ["laws of experience"]
> Wim-[Ethics]-"which underpins human rights and duties"
> Scott-[Reason]-"which in this context I look on as the ability to
> consciously create laws, hence it is about freedom."
> Rog-[rules of logic]
> Horse-[Reason]-"Reason creates order and reason creates the other levels
> as greater ordering."
> Bo- [the"subject/object divide"]..and "what is REASON except the ability
> to distinguish between the two?"
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Rick- intellectual = ["laws derived from and employed to interpret DQ"]
Erin-Intellect='s ["the laws of schema"]-schema: A pattern imposed on
complex reality or experience to assist in explaining it, mediate
perception, or guide response.
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