Hey Erin,
> PIRSIG:
> The hippies had in mind something that they wanted, and were calling it
> "freedom," but in the final analysis "freedom" is a purely negative goal.
It
> just says something is bad."
RICK:
I concur with the notion that freedom, in a sense, is a transitory goal.
One doesn't strive to be "free". One strives to be "free from" something.
Of course, this is sort of just a semantic point. For 'Freedom' as positive
goal is 'Liberty' - A state in which one can act, speak and think as they
choose.
Think of the good ole' USA. We won our revolution and now we are 'free'
from England and its monarchy [freedom as a negative goal]. However,
struggles over our 'liberties' (-i.e. What we can write, say, do, sell, buy,
wear, see, hear, smoke, drink, eat-) are eternal [freedom as a positive
goal--- liberty]. Pirsig was right that the hippies had in mind something
that they wanted and we're calling it 'freedom'... But I believe what they
were seeking was a maximum of personal 'Liberty'.
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RICK: Better order over chaos, Better freedom over order.
ERIN: 1)So if "better freedom over order" why is it a "negative" goal?
2) How are you conceptualizing freedom in your quote?
RICK
How about... "Better order over chaos, Better liberty over order."
(Actually, I just figured that if Marco's 4 'rules' summed up the levels,
then the whole system could be summed up with something like.. "Better SQ
than Chaos, Better DQ than SQ." It was more tongue-in-cheek than serious.)
rick
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