In a message dated 7/2/02 12:13:02 PM GMT Daylight Time, hettingr@iglou.com
writes:
> On Monday, July 1, 2002, at 04:28 PM, SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com wrote:
>
> > In a message dated 7/1/02 9:01:56 PM GMT Daylight Time,
> > hettingr@iglou.com writes:
> >
> >
> > Society.
> >
> > Maggie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Maggie,
> > Mind is culturally derived!
> > Excellent!
> >
> > Susan Blackmore would argue that society is a memepool from which self
> > identity as memeplex is constructed?
> > Our memeplex is imposed upon us in that it is from culture that we
> > learn who we are (static) and developed in part through selecting
> > choice (dynamic)?
> >
>
> I haven't read Blackmore, and my understanding on memes is fuzzy, (I'm
> way behind you guys)
>
> I think this sounds right, except I'd be more likely to say that the
> culture stores the options from which we choose AND many of the schemas
> for making the choices. The actual choice can be either
> biologically-influenced (where there is a hierarchy based on gender,
> size, position of another agent in a power structure); or based on
> physical realities; OR is a choice enabled by balance and awareness of
> DQ.
>
> > Our selves are like clouds drifting in a social atmosphere:
>
> Interesting analogy. Provocative.
> > Boundaries between us and society; between individuality and pack
> > become somewhat arbitrary?
> Not sure where this fits in. At some point, if an individual's set of
> stored schemas becomes (because of experience or intellect) enough
> different from the society, the person becomes individual. ( Or maybe
> the individual becomes a person). How consciousness works from this is
> the question.
>
> > The negation of these influences is rather like meditation?
> >
> Meditation is one way. It's a technique to nullify some patterns in
> order to be aware within bigger balances than the day-to-day society
> busyness.
>
>
> cheers,
> Maggie
>
HI Maggie,
Memes sprang to mind, (doh)! because i find the concept a useful tool.
Memes do not imply substance metaphysics and their manipulation does imply
value?
So, i give memes a cheer because it is an area of hard science that may
strongly identify value as fundamental?
Of course, i understand there are many who are ready to disagree, Daniel
Dennet may be such an individual, (but 'he' is a cultural entity too, and his
views have been selected in a relationship between static and dynamic
quality)?
Susan Blackmore's book, 'The meme machine' is highly readable and most
refreshing. Read from a value perspective it satisfies like a damn good cup
of tea.
All the best,
Squonk.
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