Hi all, this is Gary.
The question was: What is the mind in? My suggestion is below.
----- Original Message -----
From: Maggie Hettinger <hettingr@iglou.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: MD Consciousness
>
> On Monday, July 1, 2002, at 05:55 PM, Platt Holden wrote:
>
> >>> On Monday, July 1, 2002, at 12:05 PM, Platt Holden
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Andre, Patrick:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> The past and the future only exist in the
> >>> present.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The past and the future exist in the mind. Is
> >>> there
> >>>>> empirical evidence of time? A time-detector?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> surely no condundrum,
> >>>>> André
> >>>>
> >>>> What's the mind in?
> >>>>
> >>>> Platt
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> The mind exists in the sense that a sound exists.
> >> Ting!
> >
> >> Andre
> >
> > Mind exists in the sense? Sounds tautological. What's a sound in?
> >
> > To Maggie:
> >
> > Mind is in society? What's society in? Another society, ad infinitum?
> >
> Hi. Well, that doesn't seem like a particularly useful avenue, does
> it?
>
> If we go Pirsig, mind is stored in society, society's stored in biology,
> biology's stored in the inorganic.
>
> maggie
>
Gary's Response: The mind is according to Pirsig (& I agree) is the
equivalent of the 4th level, INTELECT. The mind arises out of the biology
of a human being. Much of the stuff that the mind deals with is taught to
each of us, including the language we use to think with, by SOCIETY/Pirsig's
3rd level. Thus much of the stuff of the 4th level/mind is "stored in
society"/3rd level. All humans together by their actions make the 3rd
level. The 4th level [which is 'in' every single individual human] and the
3rd level [which is a collection of all humans] come out of the 2nd level.
And ultimately everything is made up of atoms & sub-atomic particles and
thus all things come out of the 1st level.
That is my take.
MIND=PIRSIG'S INTELLECT 4TH LEVEL.
Gary jaron
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