Andre: If I remember the Scarecrow, The tin man, and The cowardly lion, I
think "mind is a alright word to use.
Joe
----- Original Message -----
From: "André" <psytrancekid@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: MD Consciousness
--- Gary Jaron <gershomdreamer@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi
Andre,
> I agree with Squonk & Platt. Mind is a perfectly
> good MOQ term.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: André <psytrancekid@yahoo.co.uk>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 4:24 PM
> Subject: Re: MD Consciousness
>
>
> > --- SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com wrote: > In a message
> dated
> > 7/2/02 8:51:02 PM GMT Daylight
> > > Time, pholden@sc.rr.com
> > > writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > I need not remind you (but I will anyway) that
> > > "mind" is a perfectly
> > > > legitimate word in the MOQ lexicon. Pirsig
> uses it
> > > frequently in LILA and
> > > > speaks of the "intelligence of the mind,"
> > > referring to the intellectual
> > > > level.
> > > >
> > > > Platt
> > > >
> > >
> > > Hellooooo!
> > > Pirsig does indeed use terms such as mind and
> > > substance but with proviso?
> > > Mind becomes a jungle of static patterning and
> > > substance becomes Inorganic
> > > patterning.
> > > Pirsig's use of the term mind agrees with those
> who
> > > have been arguing that it
> > > is culturally derived.
> > >
> > > The central problem is that substance
> metaphysics
> > > after Descartes is a two
> > > tier metaphysics. Now we have a four tier
> > > metaphysics and mind is a more
> > > subtle proposition in the MOQ.
> > >
> > > Squonk.
> > >
> >
> > Squonk + Platt,
> >
> > I reckon mind is a collective noun. Like flock and
> > pride. i.e. A flock of geese, a pride of lions, a
> mind
> > of thoughts. No goose, no flock. No thought, no
> mind.
> >
> > just a piece of my mind,
> > André
> >
> Gary's Response: The mind is not a collective noun
> but a singular noun.
> Each and every human being has one singular mind.
> It is the term for our
> experience of thinking and being aware. It is our
> experience of processing
> our thoughts, memories, feeling, emotions, and all
> our sensory events.
Perhaps dealing with thoughts, memories, feeling,
emotions one at a time might help with the (SOM)
definition of "mind". Then, (enter dualism) we have
the issue of what is not-mind.
André
excellent debate.
André
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