Re: MD Consciousness

From: Gary Jaron (gershomdreamer@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Jul 07 2002 - 19:41:22 BST


Hi Andre:
Hey! "What else is there for an antagonist do to? :)" I thought
antagonist were suppose to be antagonistic!!!! Your falling down on the job
and giving all us TRUE antagonist, such as my humble self, a bad name!
:)!!!!! You could lose your antagonist union card for being so brief in
public.!

Proud card carrying member of the Amalgamated Union of Antagonist
International Movement, card #124568,
Gary

----- Original Message -----
From: André <psytrancekid@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: MD Consciousness

> Gary,
>
> Like I said, you have made a list of assertions. You
> seem to believe them and be happy with them. What else
> is there for an antagonist do to? :)
>
> André
>
>
> --- Gary Jaron <gershomdreamer@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi
> Andre, [How do you get that little mark over
> > your "e"? I don't mean to
> > ignore it but I don't know how to do it using
> > Outlook Express. ]
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: André <psytrancekid@yahoo.co.uk>
> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 04, 2002 4:24 PM
> > Subject: Re: MD Consciousness
> >
> >
> > > > >
> > > > Gary's Response: The mind is the "place" of all
> > > > mental activities. It is
> > > > the experience of having a body that can process
> > and
> > > > be aware of existing.
> > > > The mind is recognizing that we can hear own
> > > > thoughts and that we can see,
> > > > feel, taste, touch, etc. The self is our
> > construct
> > > > that develops over time
> > > > to identify ourselves and different from other
> > > > people we meet.
> > > > Self-awareness is the process built into our
> > body,
> > > > especially in our nervous
> > > > system. If when we sleep we dream then we are
> > > > experiencing self-awareness.
> > > > If when we sleep we do not seem to dream then
> > there
> > > > is no experience of
> > > > self-awareness. Self-awareness is an experience
> > of
> > > > a process of mental
> > > > activity of the body. "mind-awareness"?
> > Perhaps.
> > > > Those objects:
> > > > cameras, thermometers, tears, etc are all
> > passive
> > > > tools which were not built
> > > > to be aware of the activities that they are
> > engaged
> > > > in doing. Thus no
> > > > self-awareness. No mind. The mind requires a
> > self
> > > > reflexive,
> > > > self-reflective, and recursive structure.
> > > >
> > > > Gary
> > >
> > > Your argument style is a stream of assertions. I
> > will
> > > leave you with those assertions intact.
> > >
> > > Blue is red.
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > André
> > Gary's response: Actually my style tends to be, or
> > so I have been told,
> > verbose and repetitive. Hence the length of my
> > essays! If you do not want
> > brevity I can give you more than "streams of
> > assertions". I was not trying
> > to be obtuse by simply making those strings of
> > assertions. I was just being
> > brief. If you want more, I will go back and explain
> > in more detail. So,
> > shall we leave the matter with strings of assertions
> > or shall we go back and
> > thoroughly analyze? It is your call.
> >
> > The ever assertive,
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
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