>From: SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: MD the Art biz
>Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2002 05:39:49 EDT
>
>Hi Horse,
>I study popular music in a formal academic environment.
>The field has no platform as such; there is very little agreement as to how
>popular music should best be understood.
>
>I find this exceptionally frustrating as i feel sure you can appreciate?
>
>The influence of popular music is huge. I began study feeling this to be
>the
>case, but as i got deeper into it, began to see a massive area of potential
>for the application of a metaphysics of quality.
>
>Would anyone in the forum wish to engage in exploring popular music from an
>MOQ perspective? I tell you openly: I should like to apply any progress
>into
>the academic arena.
>
>As it stands the main contexts for popular music study appear to have been
>borrowed from cultural studies. More specifically, from study of media;
>popular music can be regarded as mediated text. This puts is right into
>semiotics.
>Philosophically speaking, semiotics was developed by philosophers, but it
>has
>developed a tinge of idealism? Emphasis is placed upon the text and
>individuals go out the window. Culture is text, text is mediated - we use
>media and that's pretty much the top and bottom of it?
>One interesting area highlighted by this approach, and one i find
>illuminating, is the mediated manipulation of individuals by those who are
>privileged to be in a position to enable them to have media project their
>preferred reality?
>To put that same point another way: The realities we experience in media
>are
>using us.
>Enter the Giant!
>I have a feeling cultural studies are biographies of Giants?
>History is full of these Giants and their character traits - perhaps we
>could
>help to illuminate these Giants in MOQ terms?
>Our society may have more than one Giant in relationship with others?
>
>The MOQ may clear things up.
>
>Its over to you lot...
>
>All the best,
>Squonk.
Hi Squonk, maybe this littlle story is of any help. Last year a television
program here in the Netherlands started, this program was called
''starmaker'', a kind of abstraction of 'big brother' maybe you heard of
that program. The concept is put a few people together, select the best
singers, and produce and write a song that they will perform. The respons
was huge, the group immediately jumped to the nr. 1 position in the charts.
The music was absolute shit by the way....but this did not matter, the
buyers of the music(mostly young girls) could identify with them through the
television program and therefore the popularity was so great. An excellent
example how media is playing a role in pop music. In music in general there
is a great battle between intellect and society going on, pop music is a
genre mainly active at the social (and for a part biological) level
responding to young girls and other superficials needs. More
alternative(read underground) music which on the first hand seems less
accesible, is much more of an intellectual activity. (It is more dynamic)Pop
music imo, is sort of fancy contemporary 'postmodern' manifestation of
created needs, light weighted happy music appealling to mass emotion without
any reflection on content. I do not know why you are interested in pop
music, there is so much more in non-pop. I do not find the giant analogue
very appealling in most cases, but when it comes to ''mass emotions'' such
as in pop music, there is a great role for the giant, but why call this
giant not simply repetetive social behaviour initiated by media and
blindlessly taken over by today's youth?
About non-pop, there is so much philosophy in underground music, music that
is real, i find much more consollation in hardcore and punk music than in
pop but
To give an example, the music of 'System of a down' is brilliant, so real,
pure, and intellectual, the same goes for Bad Religion and some other
groups. I can also enjoy classical music which is beyond words and I do not
even know where to start describing Beethoven in MOQ terms, beyond
words....beyond levels....Beethoven is Quality.
davor
PS: Pop music mediated texts????? Don't think so, pop music is not
text-dependent, in native english speaking countries the influence of text
is greater then in non-english speaking countries....most people have no
idea what songs actually mean. That is part of the popularity,
think about it...just look at the text of a few pop groups and you will see,
the texts make no sense at all.
PS: A parody on the starmaker program was launched to show that it did not
make sense, a program maker and a few comedians made a song which made no
sense at all and guess....straight to nr. 1 in the charts.
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