Walter wrote:
i am happy you have the time to stick around with the squad and hopefully
even when you go back to work you will have time to keep in touch. i know
how volumnous the email load can be. i cannot see how anyone can work eight
hours a day and have any chance of keeping up with the flow. theres no way i
could do it.
Walter wrote:
>Dear Squad,
>
>Reading the posts lately following some arguments
>
>1) The levels Social and Intellectual are difficult to dsitinct
Walter, yes they are, unless we can develop a way of distinguishing the
levels by agreeing just what Quality a static quality pattern of value
contains. according to Pirsig, there are two value forces of Quality at
work in our static quality patterns of value, creation and discreation. this
is of primary importance to agreeing what the differences are between a
social and an intellect pattern of value.
Walter writes:
>2) The Intellect doesn't really arise from the social level, like the
social does from the biological and the
>biological does from the inorganic
Walter, you are both right and wrong, in my opinion. the intellect "exists"
before the social level, in a manner of speaking. yet the social level must
manifest what the intellect has "conceived" in order for the intellect to
function. and i realize how confusing this sounds, but perhaps its easier to
comprehend if we think of Time as a social level static quality phenomenon,
and the intellect as unbounded by Time, so to speak. the intellect is
Dynamically free to move in non-Time. what we call "back and forth in time"
really is not a proper way of saying it, but it conveys the idea i think.
Walter writes:
>3) I can't think of static patterns that belong to the intellectual level
without the possibility to place
>them also in the social level (religion, science etc.).
Walter, nor can i.
>4) I've thought a lot about Glove's theory of discreation and this would
fit in (sorry Glove as it doesn't
>because I still don't get it completely)
Walter, hopefully some of my comments above will clarify my thinking.
Walter writes:
>
>I had the following intuition:
> Isn't intellect the DQ of the social level?
Walter, this is an extremely difficult question to answer. you may be right,
yet we must remember we cannot perceive Dynamic Quality in any fashion. so i
am relunctant to say yes or no.
>
>Dtchgrtngs
>Walter
Best wishes to everyone.
glove
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