ROGER RECANTS: THE INQUISITION RECLAIMS A HERETIC?
The genome project is an attempt to uncover material immortality.
>THREE LEVELS OR FOUR? ROGER GIVES UP HIS
>SHORT LIVED LIFE ON THE WILD SIDE
Hi Roger
Let me respond to your document of recantation:
>MAGNUS responded to my suggestion as follows:
><<<The cause of the confusion you're expressing is that people, with
>intellectual patterns, are parts of a society (a social pattern).
>This is not absurd or contradictory in any way. It's perfectly
>alright for a society to use people as building blocks because
>people are patterns of all levels. It doesn't make society a
>higher level than intellect>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Seems a bit contradictory to me, Magnus.
Like having your cake and eating it.
Society uses people as building blocks.
It IS a higher level. Period.
>MARY: <<<A social pattern valuing freedom, truth, and clarity is
>superior to other social patterns because it is an enabler for the
>intellectual level.......
So the intellect leapfrogs society to become a new level.
Enabled by society eh? Pirsig says the intellect had to escape from
society not be enabled by it.
>MARY>>>The social value of the right to
>think freely is a high quality social level value. This value is of high
>quality because it allows the intellectual level free riegn to think about
>anything. since the intellectual level is a more advanced level this is
>good.
Once again this contradics the competitive inter-level theory of MOQ
Of course it does, because all this is an attempt to wolly-think around the
problem that Social Good is the top level.
It is informed- but not transcended by the individual/group mind.
>Horse then jumped in to argue with JB:
>JB: <<< "The Enlightened value the Truth", but our society values something
>else.>>>>
>HORSE: <<Of course it does. It values its own existence and if that means
that
>members of society are destroyed or removed for whatever reason then this
is
>fine for society as a whole. Thus the expression, "The greatest good for
the
>greatest number".>>>>>>>
Pirsig himself argues that Society is quite right to perpetuate itself.
Look what happened in Russia when intellect overthrew society.
The promise of equality turned out to be absolute dictatorship.
That is why Jesus refused to lead a revolution against Rome and the
corrupt local administration. "Render unto Caesar" was a defense of society.
>I believe these to be the learning stages of an emerging value
>level. With its hierarchical position at the top, its mistakes and
successes
>are magnified beyond those of its predecessors. Its patterns will learn
and
>progress as it follows its own values toward truth and clarity.
No. This is just the arrogance of intellectualism. What has emerged is
regressive,
not progressive. Intellectualism desires material eternal life and the
murder of God.
The genome project is an attempt to uncover material immortality.
>DIANE: <<<<....someone said that we're getting confused because
>the social and intellectual levels are so deeply intertwined. I think
>this is true and it's because of the way the two have evolved molding
>and mediating each other as they go. The social level appropriates the
>intellectual level for its own purposes....... There are many sets of
>intellectual reality in existence and we can perceive some to have more
>quality than others, but that we can do so is, in part, the result of
>our history and current patterns of values. >>>>>>>>>>>
In fact, Diana point the way to the reality that the top level of the MOQ is
Social-Intellectual or Social-Mind to be more correct, for the rational
intellect is one part of mind and is counterparted by instinctive art mind.
Society and Mind are the SAME thing !
Only intellectualism believes they are not and so mounts the ivory tower.
love
fintan
findunne@iol.ie
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