THE IRISH MYSTIC RECALLS HIS VISIONARY EXPLOSION LAST MONTH.
Hi Squad,
GLOVE WROTE>
>>>>i guess my point is that the more Dynamic the vision the less acceptance
it will find among others, no matter how elegantly the language does justice
to the idea.
Tell me about it Glove. Because last month in the midst of the morality
discussion I had a deep and full-blown visonary experience in full view of
all Squad participants. It satisfied all the criteria of mystic revelation.
See what Ken said:
KEN WROTE>
Random House Dictionary of the English Language which gives the definition:
"The doctrine of an immediate spiritual intuition of truths believed to
transcend ordinary understanding, or of a direct, intimate union of the soul
with God through contemplation and love."
Anyone who read my "Bargain with God" essay will understand that God did
indeed keep his side of the bargain in allowing me the mystic revelation.
Most thought i was going mad. Called me the crazy Irishman etc. Yet Malbin
tells us that in a letter to Robert Redford, Pirsig states that this
experience from a Western point of view is considered "madness", but from an
Eastern one it's considered "enlightenment."
My own mystical experience was analogous to that of Pirsig. I posted the
results of this experience and was subjected to ridicule by the
rationalists, despite the fact that the results were a substansial extension
of Pirsig's work, which i am now writing as a book. I asked someone to
advise Pirsig that I had extended his work- but the rarinalists were too
busy sneering. I will re-post the work for the trans-rationalists soon.
DAVID WROTE>
>>>>>>I assume there are no creationists or flat-earthers here at
moq_discuss. I'm guessing
everyone here is free of superstition, mental illness, furbey fever, and
other forms of irrationality.
Sir Issac Newton was a mystic in his latter years. Einstien viewed physics
as a way to understand the mind of God. If there were only two I'd be in the
rationalist camp. .
BUT mysticism isn't irrational. MYSTICISM IS POST-RATIONAL
David, even you- a mystic camper deride mental-ilness and irrationality and
claim that mysticism is post-rational. Yet mental illness is fundamental to
both ZAMM and LILA is it not? ? ? in light of your comment above it might
disappoint you to realise that the MOQ supports creationism. For it makes us
realise that the pre-intellectual is the NOW and this implies that time is
an illusion. Therefore creation is as likely to have been five thousand
years ago as five billion. Indeed, it is precisely this that God revealed to
me in the mystic experience. Not only that, but revealed a proof for the
recent creation by analysis of the human body and the physical world. As a
scientist let me tell you that the proof is solid and convincing to an open
mind.
DAVID>
>>One arrives at mysticism in a flash of insight, they say, but the secret
is that it usually happens only after years of training. The flash of
insight isn't some gift from the heaven in answer to all those prayers, its
more like the flowering of a cultivatred mind.
I beg to differ. The secret usually comes after years of suffering not
training. It IS a gift from heaven, and is NOT earned by earthly
qualification. It is the flowering of love not a cultivation of mind. I
suggest your view of mysticism has been contaminated by New-Age
pseudo-mysticism which is inherently self-centered not God-centered.
DAVID>
>>>Nature is mind. The universe is consciousness. That's the heart of the
mystical view of reality. The individual consciousness identifies with the
universal consciouness. Being at one with the universe, in Christian terms,
"I and the father are one".
Glad to agree with you on that David. At-oneness with the Father is the most
fulfilling experience of my life. For that is what I was created to
experience.
MALBIN>
>>>SPIRITUAL TRAINING. Without this, without practice, all this talk,
philosophizing, is a big waste of time. Its just more attachment, namely to
static intellectual patterns. Everything else, every static pattern, is in
an evolutionary, developmental drive towards that end, that goal:
Enlightenment.
You put it so well, Malbin. I more bluntly decried what i called
intellectual masturbation here.
You cannot THINK your way to a full enlightenment, you can only LOVE your
way to it. It is not as some claims a meditative non-striving. Full
enlightenment comes out of a positive stiving to love.
KILIAN>
Fully half of reality is DQ -- the mystical side of reality, the realm of
inspiration, change, etc. The other half, and no less important is SQ --
the side of physical reality, stability, etc. Obviously, both are needed.
They are two halves of the same reality-coin.
Not equal halves though. For the mystical is the Pearl.
Which do we keep and value?
The pearl or the oyster in which it grew?
JONATHAN>
>>>Fintan calls himself a "mystic", yet I interpret his "Bargain with God"
as pure rationalism. The essay says to me "This is it! I am God and I
will show you everything. It's up to you to open your eyes and see it".
Did I get it Fintan?
First you have to "open your eyes and see", then "close your eyes and see".
Far from calling mysticism "post-rational", I would call mystic insight a
part of rationalism.
Interesting that you speak of opening the eyes. For this issue is one of the
proofs of creationism. The raising of the eyelid - if slowed down, is
analogous is it not, to the raising of the curtain at the start of the
performance of a play. "All the worlds a stage and all the men and women
merely players" said the Bard of Avon- who realised that reality was a
fundamentally a stage created by God. The rational mind cannot seek out
trans-rational revelation unless guided by the heart.
love all
Fintan
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