Bodvar:
I did initially wince at the notion of 'value forces' in contrast to
'static examples' (or 'underlaying values vs emergent phenomena) and
started on a long-winded explanation from the first static
latch. I stressed that there is no matter in contrast to forces or
laws.
Glove:
but there is static and Dynamic Quality, the Quality Event. that is where
forces of value arise, flourish and pass away. that is our reality, or
rather our conception of reality. please remember i am not talking about any
observable force as we know it in the universe when i talk about Force of
Value. since it is Dynamic in nature we are unaware of its presence
directly. i am in no way attempting to define Dynamic Quality but i am
recognizing what it does as creative and discreative force in the universe.
Bodvar:
If there was it would mean that the DQ-SQ split continued into
the static patterns and that would sound very much like
subject-objectivism in a quality guise. It was easy to defend
this view regarding the Inorganic and it also went well into the
Biological realm too; a living organism is inorganic values overlaid
by biological ones. Survival, consumption and replication is.....well
I got away with the "other half of the coin" simile. But at the
Social level it got difficult not to differentiate between what you
call 'value forces' and 'static examples' and at the Intellect I got
myself into a mess.
Glove:
Value forces, or force of value, is very simply put, creation and
discreation. the Dynamic Quality/static quality split you speak of does not,
cannot exist in a way we can conceive of. to do so is a fallacy, in my
opinion, and will lead nowhere. all that we can conceptualize is static
quality patterns of value. underlying those patterns are forces of value
which are not only creating the patterns of value, but also substaining them
temporally by means of static latching, in certain high value situations,
and then discreating them.
social level patterns of value are easy to recognize, for they are all
around us and indeed make us who we are. the intellect patterns of value
arise from the social patterns of value but they are opposed to the
restrictive nature of those social patterns. and strive to break free. in
doing so these intellect patterns of value are no longer recognizable as
creative patterns, but discreative intellect patterns opposed to the
creative patterns of the social level. and this is why we assign no value to
them as a rule, until they have become social patterns of value by means of
agreement. the intellect patterns of value are abstractions (in Jonathans
words), de-latched social patterns of value seeking Dynamic freedom.
best wishes
glove
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