RE: MD On Faith

From: Chuck Roghair (ctr@pacificpartssales.com)
Date: Wed Oct 06 2004 - 17:42:15 BST

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    Scott:

    I'm dealing with reality. I'm not doubting your personal Catholicism is
    different, Scott, but until the Church takes a new official position that is
    the reality.

    Is the act of homosexuaility not still a sin?

    Has the Church made some official proclomation that I missed?

    If not, where's the point of reference? Where does one go to become a
    "knowledgeable Catholic" if not the Chucrch's official canon?

    And what about the vast minions who aren't savvy or "knowledgeable" like you
    Scott? They believe God hates fags along with a lot of other backwards
    Catholic pulp and there are lots of them.

    George Carlin said something to the effect of:

    Imagine how stupid the average person is; now realize how many people there
    are out there who are more stupid than that.

    The Church intentionally goes after those people; the Church tries to
    control those people in an effort to control everything in a world where the
    majority rules, which is one of the main reasons I hate the Church

    Blind, irrational faith (and apologists like you, perhaps, Scott) is the
    Church's deadliest weapon. Reason, logic, Love, QUALITY, reality...The
    Church avoids those like the plague.

    Which was my original point.

    All the best,

    Chuck

    -----Original Message-----
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    On Behalf Of Scott Roberts
    Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 2:53 PM
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    Subject: RE: MD On Faith

    Chuck,

    > "some of them (like the Trinity) are not accessible by reason alone.
    Lessing
    > held the view that "revelations were not rational when revealed, but were
    > revealed so that they may become rational" (something like that), and this
    > is the basis of the old Augustinian maxim: faith seeking understanding."
    >
    > So, in the end, the Church gets it whichever way it wants it. Holy
    Trinity?
    > Just believe. Ressurection of the body? Just believe. Virgin birth?
    Just
    > believe. Infallability of the Pope? Just believe. Mel Gibson knows his
    > shit? Just believe. The rhythm method works? Just believe and save up
    for
    > a seventh addition to your house. God hates fags? Just believe, mangle
    the
    > constitution and take your son to a Clint Eastwood movie.

    I'm not defending Aquinas' view, just stating it, to make a small
    correction to what your seminarian friend said. Religion has changed a lot
    since then, even Catholicism. If you are going to treat religion as if it
    were all of the "God hates fags" sort (no knowledgeable Catholic would say
    this), then there is no point in further discussion.

    - Scott

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