Re: MD A bit of reasoning

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Date: Fri Oct 08 2004 - 04:20:18 BST

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    Hello Scott:

    >
    > >
    > > mel:
    > > This is not about Peirce or his conceptions.
    > > It is about what comes before...
    >
    > [Scott:] If you are referring to so-called immediate/pure experience, it
    is
    > about that. If I say "Wow! That sunset is beautiful", while it is true
    that
    > the beauty occurred at the "wow" moment, and I am only thinking of that
    > beauty in the "That sunset is beautiful" moment, that doesn't mean there
    > was no Peircean triad in the "wow" moment. There was. There had to be me
    > and the sunset, and the general system of colors, shapes, and so forth,
    for
    > that "wow" moment to occur. If any one were missing, there would be no
    > value.
    >
    > > mel:
    > > Thoughts are not dead, but they have passed into a
    > > position of the intellectual present, after the experiential.
    > > Relationships, forms, universals, particulars, and any
    > > other associations then come into play.
    >
    > While I maintain that experience is always a matter of relationships,
    > forms, universals, and particulars. See the sunset example above.
    >
    > >
    > > However, he goes on, the source of our
    > > > dead thoughts is not something pre-intellectual, but is living, or
    pure
    > > > thinking.
    > >
    > > mel:
    > > This may be becoming a problem of terminology/translation
    > > and usage... I would substitute a statement in this case that
    > > thoughts are intellectual, but the source of thought comes from
    > > two souces 1) other thought and 2)experience. Both are living,
    > > but experience is from living awareness...
    >
    > [Scott:] ...which presupposes Peircean triads.
    >
    >
    mel:
    Existence needs no presupposition,
    but intellect seems to require it.

    That is what is seems, in my view to
    reduce itself to.

    (This has been a rich source of thought
    thank you far all the attention you have
    put into this...marvelous.)

    thanks--mel

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